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Leave it and try it. Sounds like the rest of the channel was FUBAR. If it still doesn't work you can take it out later. Some rifles do shoot with a bit of up pressure.

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Well, I have a little more news. I took the rifle to the range today...the first thing I noticed is that my shots were considerably higher. I'm not sure exactly how much, since I'm not doing much elevation adjustment, but I would estimate at least 2". There is a remote possibility that some of this could be due to my having treated the barrel with a moly bore prep (http://www.kgcoatings.com/firearms.html#6) last night, but I imagine this is negligible.

My first attempt at a grouping was downright dismal. One shot in particular was nearly 6" away from the shot that preceded it, and 3" from the next shot. There is simply no way I am jerking that much.

In my second attempt, I shot a group of 2 1/2". I took off my glasses and tried again...the third group was about 1 3/4". Better but still nothing to write home about.

Between each shot, I slid my paper feelers between stock and barrel. If it seemed tight, I let the barrel cool a bit. All in all, it took about an hour to fire 17 shots. I did notice that the barrel seemed tighter on the left side of the stock, so after shooting, I did some more sanding on that part of the stock. I also noticed that it was a bit stiff at the very back of the barrel, so I relieved that some more as well. Afterwards, it seemed a bit stiffer towards the front, so I think I can conclude that the stock is definitely effecting the barrel somehow.

From today I think I can conclude that a lot of my problems were, and still are, due to barrel tightness. I'm just wondering how much more of this relieving I should do.

I also decided to shoot without my glasses from now on.

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I wouldn't worry about the change in the point of impact. With pressure relieved innthe barrel channel, that will change. Don't worry about taking out a bit to much wood, you can replace it with bedding compound. The bigest problem would be leaving to much in the wrong spots. Don't do anymore barrel treatment's until you test what you've already done. You first group stunk but then they started pulling together.

Your stock is wood. Once the barrel channel is relieved well the whole distence, do another check for reciever bind. If you worried about how much wood to remove from the barrel channel. For accuracy testing at Nosler the use only a barreled action set in a vice around the chamber. Match rifles have a gap around the barrel you could loose a VW in.

Shoot the rifle one more time, just a few groups is enough. If it's giving consistent group's and they have a round shape, your going the right direction. I would at that point if I were not happy with the groups and there was no appearent reciever bind, remove that up lift on the barrel.

Just a thought. When you take the rifle apart, does it come out of the stock easily or does it feel like it's dragging? It should lift out easily. Dragging would indicate at this point that either the reciever area or the recoil lug is to tight and pinching. If the recoil lug is pinching, it may be hiding reciever bind. I have a 700 ADL that did just that. The recoil lug should make contact only at the back. The front, sides and bottom should not touch the stock. Sometimes wood to metal fit can be a detriment. It was so bad on my 700 that the barreled action had to be pryed out of the stock.

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Think poor grouping could be the result of inconsistant factory loads also the problem could be a bad scope if you have one .sometimes the radical shifts slightly with each shot I seen that happen before or maybe bad mounts ...just a thought ,check your rings and mounts I once had a scope that fell off the rifle after being put on by a gun smith , relax I don't think it was Don Laugh watched a 10 pointer bounce away waving his flag at me

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Just curious, mzimmers... what is your trigger pull in pounds on your rifle? Think

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This morning was a little breezy, so I didn't shoot. I did decide to attack the stock again...this time I discovered something rather interesting: the barrel is definitely "favoring" the left side of the stock, despite the fact that I've been removing material from that side only for awhile now. (I wish I'd looked at that before starting.) It becomes even more so when I tighten the action down. And this is despite the fact that there is ZERO contact on the *right* side of the barrel, at least until you get to the very tip. Weird, huh?

The action does not seem to be binding...it goes in and comes out nice and clean.

Chester: the trigger is set to 3 pounds. Pretty clean break and all that good stuff.

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When you slide the paper up and back, is the paper in one side the channel and out the other? If not, it needs to be. Only way to be sure it's free all the way around.

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When you slide the paper up and back, is the paper in one side the channel and out the other? If not, it needs to be. Only way to be sure it's free all the way around.

Yeah, pretty much. I did a little more to it just now. It seems that the more material I remove from the left side (where it's tight), the more the barrel just moves over the the left and remains relatively tight.

I also notice that when I just lay the action into the stock, its most solid point of contact is at the front lug. I believe this to be correct. The rear of the action sits above its resting point about 1/16" and when I press down on it, the muzzle of the barrel goes up slightly (which I would expect) but also moves over to the left.

I wonder if I need to continue to remove material from the left until the barel is really free of contact, or if the problem is how the mounting lug of the action is seating in the stock. Don...I'm getting close to shipping this up to you, but if you have any other ideas, I'm game.

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Sounds kinna like they may have screwed up when they chamfored out the stock. It may have been cut on a slight tilt. Without looking at it and putting a mic to it thats just a guess. But it sure sounds like it. May need a whole new stock if you cant get it straight.

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It looks like improvement is being made. Just be patient as these things take trial and error to correct.

Also, I would not get my hopes up about achieving great acuracy when all this is done. The rifle may not be capabale of shooting tight groups even when new. However, you should be able to get better results than you started with.

At some point you may find that to get the level of accuracy you want will cost you more than what you are willing spend. How well do you want this rifle to shoot?

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