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The Wilderness areas where

The Wilderness areas where nonresidents need a guide are all in the far west side of the state up high in the various mountain ranges.  I was in unit 27 right north of 29 last year helping a guy and there were good numbers of antelope and some really good bucks there, but it requires at least one preference point to draw the tag.  I would do as suggested and hunt unit 29 because it is a 100% draw area, has a decent percentage of BLM land (probably brown or yellow on your map), Federal Grasslands (probably pink or green on your map), and state lands to hunt in.  You have plenty of time to do your homework and if you decide to hunt 29 you really don't even need to put in for the draw as there were several hundred tags left after the draw last year.  However, just to make sure, it would probably be best to apply for the draw before 3/15 and spend the extra application fee money to insure you get the tag. 

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Thanks......

.......Topgun.  Yes, me and my friend are definaltey taking your adivice on unit 29 and thunder basin.  I'm glad to hear that its easy to get drawn for.  We will put in for that as our 1st choice. What do you mean by the extra application fee money?  And speaking of tag applications, I have a couple of questions?   What is the "Access Yes" Donation block for and how exactly does it help me if I do donate? And is it advantageous to donate to the Search and Rescue Donation?  And I have one more question for now.  I see that beginning dates for antelope hunts pertaining to the unit you are hunting in.  But how long to the seasons go for? from the opening date in that area, how many days/ weeks does the season go for?  I cant find that anywhere in the nonres guide.

I would like tho thank you guys that have helsped me with this so far.  I is VERY APPRECIATED by us.

 

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1---The season closing  dates are not available until they send you the pamphlet when you draw a tag, which sucks because you have to depend on it being the same as the previous season.  They don't change too often, but it is a pain in the butt when you have to guess about dates on an out-of-state trip!  That may be one reason that contributes to all that go out for the openers so they don't mess up and miss a hunt!  Looking at lasts years pamphlet, the season dates for antelope unit 29 were 10/1-10/15.   

2---There is a $14 nonrefundable application when you enter any of the draws.  If you wait and buy a license that is left after the draw, there is no application fee involved. 

3---The Access Yes donations are used to pay the ranchers to open up their ranches for common folk to hunt without paying any other fees and is a very good program!  That is those WIHA and Hunter Management Areas you see on the F&G website.

4---The Search & Rescue is also a very worthwhile one to donate a couple bucks to in order to help defray their costs when people are lost, have accidents, etc. and need help.

5---Don't forget that each hunter needs to buy a $12.50 Conservation Stamp to be legal to go in the field and it has to be signed and on your person while hunting, just like your license.

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Topgun, you continue to help

Topgun, you continue to help me and me friend alot.  I got your reply in the other thread about units 73 and 75.  I will take you advise on them.  So, you are saying that I should apply with PP and use 73 or 75 as my first choice and go with 29 as my second choice? I hope I am not asking too many questions.  We midwest hunters have some pretty cut and dry regs here, lol.  BTW, thats a nice spped goat....

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Wyoming is not really that

Wyoming is not really that hard to understand after you have been out there and done hunts as often as I have!  If you think that state is tough to figure out, you should take a look at all the stuff in the New Mexico Pamphlet, LOL!  Anyway, yes to your question in your last post here and do that as a party, rather than as individuals.  That is exactly what I would do because you will probably build a PP for next year's draw while still being able to hunt unit 29 this year. If you happen to get real lucky (less than 10% draw odds on those other two units) and draw your first choice they will send you a $30 refund check for the PP you applied for.  You can't draw a first choice tag and buy a PP in the same year and that's why I suggested doing it that way if you want to hunt goats out there more than one year.  You probably will because you will find that it's a lot of fun and doing it that way will get you started on being able to draw a tag in a more limited unit in a year or two.  Yea, I was very pleased with that goat for a mount because of the perfect symetry and ivory tips!

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I getting locked on now.......

Im starting to put all this information together and making a battle plan for 2011.  Topgun, you have really schooled me here with this and I appreciate it. We are going to put in for 29 as a second pic and do 73 and 75 as forst choice to gain a PP.  With the 10% odds in 73 and 75, I agree that I prob we prob wont get them and why not earn a PP for 2012.  I believe that we are prob going to love it and want to come back so may as well go for the PP.  Do you recommend filling out the apps for party hunting on line or just print off the apps, and mail them all in one envelope? Do all app and liscense fees have to be sent in with the apps, or do we pay only if we get drawn?

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First off, your first choice

First off, your first choice can't be both of those units, so you will need to decide which of the two to put down!  I'm not familiar with either one, so I can't help you there.  All I could do was look on my CD ROM to tell you the land ownership percentage for them.  I have used the online application system since they started it because you really can't make a mistake on it, compared to sending in a written application.  Also, you can wait until about March 1 to do it and know that it was received, unlike having to trust our postal system.  Either way, you have to give them all the money up front and it's very simple to put on a credit card under the online system.  When the first one of you applies, you will check off the party box instead of the individual one and it will give you a number for you to give the other person(s) so they can apply together under that number.  About the only thing I see that has changed this year is the requirement for a social security number on the application and it is explained in the directions.  In the past, they have used the SS number as your Sportsperson number at the top, but they are changing that this year, so just read the instructions like all of us guys always do, LOL!!!  Any more questions just give a holler!

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OKay

So, when one of us fill out the app and select the party block area, we will get a number that the other members of the party have to put on there apps, right?  And yes, I guess I said that wrong in my last post.  I will not put both of the units as my first choice.  I will pick one.  But 29 will def be my second choice- as you suggested and advised.  Thanks topgun, I am SURE I will have more questions coming, lol.  BTW, thats a beautiful elk in your pic.  Is that a Wyoming harvest?

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Yes, that is correct on the

Yes, that is correct on the party number!  The bull in my avatar (see another attached photo) is the 369" bull my buddy shot while I was helping on his hunt.  We hunt the same area in Wyoming every year and with him being a resident it is a lot easier for him to draw tags where we hunt.  That bull would have taken 4PPs for a nonresident to draw and he has drawn it the last two years in a row.  We hunted the last two weeks during the archery season and it was very slow and he passed on several small bulls and we saw a couple big ones that would not break away from the cows, which is not unusual.  We went back and John shot that bull in the first five minutes on opening day of the rifle season.  It took us 4 trips and into the next day to backpack that beast out of the back country to the truck.  The other picture is a 285" bull that was taken in 2009 in September by a guy from North Dakota that I took out there after we had discussed elk hunting on another BB and got to be friends.  He's building PPs again hoping to go back with me in a couple years.

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Nice

Thats awesome......

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