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Need help planning and executing a Wyoming DIY speed goat hunt

Me and my buddy are planning a DIY antelope hunt in Wyoming in 2011. Neither one of us have been To WY and I would like to get some information on how some of you Do-it-yourselfers get it done. I have done some extensive research on WY Antelope but quite frankly, the rules and regs are quite humbling when I am used to the 12 page book for Indiana, lol. Here is what how we want to do it. We want to drive out there. We want to camp and not stay in hotels or lodging. I notice that there is a lot of BLM land (especially in the western part of the state) and we want to stick to the BLM land for hunting and as our base camp. We would like to get buck tags, but are not out looking for anything “record book”. Now if one of those comes along- great, but we are more or less looking to have fun hunting and harvesting speed goats.

 I have discovered through research that you can generally get within and under 300yds of what you are trying to shoot. I have also discovered that some units are a lot easier to get drawn that others. I am assuming that the harder ones hold more trophy animals? A few questions (And I am sure once I get the answers, they will produce more questions, lol).

 1.Considering ORV permits. Do I need one for my own vehicle if we are on BLM Land?

 2.Is camping on BLM land considered a good practice? Meaning, do people generally respect other people’s campsites and is it even legal to camp on BLM land. Or should we establish are base camp at an actual campground?

 3.What kind of weather should I expect to experience during the antelope season? (ie, general temps, snow/ no snow, and what about this prairie clay that I hear can get a vehicle stuck bigger than sh$t?

 4.We plan on using rifles. 7mm-08 and 270 Winchester to be exact. Are some areas “overrun” by hunters on BLM land during the rifle season?

 5.Are there any areas with a high percentage of success for first time draws for nonresidents? Are these areas worth anything for harvesting a modest buck/ non trophy?

 Like I stated earlier, we are looking to experience the western hunt, enjoy the sights and harvest animals. We are not necessarily looking to “make the books” with our harvests. Any help would be greatly appreciated….

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!---$15 ORV tag requirements for going off the main roads on public lands is covered in Section 14(b) of the Nonresident Booklet that you can access online through the F&G website.

2---There is no problem camping anywhere on BLM land unless it is marked otherwise.  State lands are a nono.  In the National Grasslands there are new restrictions and mostly you must be along any of the marked roads.  Stay on graveled roads if there is much moisture anticipated as the other roads can become impassable even with a 4x4 and chains!

3---Take clothes so you are ready for 10 degrees up to the 70s, and be prepared to dress in layers because it can be pretty chilly mornings and evenings during the season, but can warm up nicely during the day.

4---Don't go the first week of the season and you shouldn't be bothered by crowds as most nonresidents, and even the residents, are out the first week and not much after that.

5---The goat population is basically at an all time high out there right now.  I would suggest getting a tag in one of the units south of Gillette that encompasses the Thunder Basin National Grasslands and go the second or third week of the season.  You will have fun mostly without other hunters running over top of you and should be able to get some respectable bucks.

 

Good luck!!!

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1.Almost certain, but not 100

1.Almost certain, but not 100 percent that you don't need it for your vehicle, but you do for an ATV. 

 2.  Yes, you can camp.  Go to the photo and stories section and you'll see a story I wrote about camping and goat hunting. 

 3.  You really should be prepared for nice sunny days and cold wet/snowy ones.  The dirt roads get really slick with just a little rain.

 4.  Week days like any other area will have less hunters, but it shouldn't be too bad.  Lots of land out there.

 5. Go to the WY game and fish website or go to my tip in the tip section for links.  You can get draw odds for the areas.  Keep in mind that some areas are easier to draw not because of the size of the antelope but because of lack of public land.  Not all areas have lots of public land so be careful where you apply.

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Excellent guys

Thanks for the intell.  Keep it coming.  As far as camping on the BLM land.  Is it OK to set up camp and keep it set up while we hunt.  Or is there alot of "Camp Raiding"  with unattended campsites?

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I don't think anyone can

I don't think anyone can answer that question since you just never know when some low life will decide to steal from you.  We left our camp up and it was okay but I wanted leave anything of real value in there when I was gone.

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BLM Camping

There is no problem leaving your camp set up for the entire time you're there.  I don't leave anything of value that someone can easily walk off with and I take a few chains and locks with me.  I use those to lock up propane bottles and gas cans, my spare tire for the trailer, etc. so people will really have to go to great lengths if they want to take it.  If someone is just out looking to steal stuff I realize they will have a bolt cutter or something that will help them accomplish the task.  However, doing what I do at least makes those who would take stuff on the spur of the moment not be able to.  It seems like it would take a lot of nerve to attempt stealing anything from a hunting camp when you have no idea where the hunters are with their guns, but you do hear about camp theft from time to time and that's really a shame!!! 

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Thanks guys.  As I mentioned

Thanks guys.  As I mentioned earlier, we have no experience hunting in th western part of the country and realize that cultures are different.  Here in Indiana along the lakeshore, camp theft is common.  The souther part of the state from my experience is not bad.

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Any other areas of the state

Any other areas of the state that would have some good hunting?

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I would hunt the Thunder

I would hunt the Thunder Basin National Grasslands. Before I moved to Wyoming that is is where I antelope hunted and always took my animals. I hunted area 29 most of the time. Stay away from area 7 as there population has really dropped, due in part to a killer hail storm we had last summer. I live in area 3 and have access to a limited amount of public land but we always get our goats. I would never hire a guide or pay trespass fees to hunt them,

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Guys, I really appreciate the

Guys, I really appreciate the intell I'm getting here.  It's helping ALOT. Page 12, letter "I" of the Non-resident guide states that non-residents have to have a guide when hunting designated wilderness areas.  Is the Thunder Basin Grasslands considered a Wilderness area?  This is the second recommendation for this area. When I look at land status maps of The New Castle, Buffalo, and Casper areas where the thunder basin is, I am not seeing much BLM land.  Most of it looks to be state and privat with some wilderness areas. I am looking at maps from http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en.html . Are these maps accurate? 

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OK, I pulled this off of the

OK, I pulled this off of the nonresident duide.  It looks like that the fish and game in WY has not declared the Thunder basin a wilderness area an is not requiring nonresidents to have a guide to hunt in it.  LOL, this is confusing.  Like planning an invasion into a foreign country:lol: So, is public land in short supply in area 29 or in abundance?

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