First of all i would just like to say i am brand spanking new to this forum. I have browsed some of the topics and post and been absoultly amazed by the replies and infomation that has been posted. It's almost as if you guys are all life long hunting buddies. I am proud to be part of this forum. The main reason i'm on here is to look for some advice and get as much help as possible. This will be only my second time elk hunting. Last year was my first time, and never saw a single elk :( Last year i hunted in GMU 18 near the King Mountain Ranch and along 125. This year i would like to go somewhere different. It will be just me and my dad hunting 2nd season OTC bull tags. Just some of the GMUsi have looked into are 62, 55, 71 and of course the white river national forest. Just to give you a little background on me. Last year our hunt started with a 6 hour hike on foot, my pack weighed 82 lbs. The terrain was pretty steep and rough. We hunted the 3rd season soo warmth was a factor to consider hence the 82lb pack. I am from WI so I'm used to the cold and snow. Both me and my Dd are military veterans, i'm still active my dad is retired. So hard work and pain is not new to us. But at the same time my Dad is 52 yrs old so i don't want to drag him through the roughest mountains possible although he would do it. Well i think i have rambled on enough. Thank you very much for taking the time to read my post i look forward to the replies.