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Need advice for young ladies new guns

have two daughters shooting 243s, want to upgrade too 7-08 ,or 25-06 .shooting texas deer, and 300 lbs  plus hogs . Have read alot of info in BGH. 7-08 kicks ,dont kick. Ammo hard too find etc. ect. Looking at savage, TC , perfer savage ,accu trig. Own other SAVAGES . Any advise and wisdom deeply needed.

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either should work

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have two daughters shooting 243s, want to upgrade too 7-08 ,or 25-06 .shooting texas deer, and 300 lbs  plus hogs . Have read alot of info in BGH. 7-08 kicks ,dont kick. Ammo hard too find etc. ect. Looking at savage, TC , perfer savage ,accu trig. Own other SAVAGES . Any advise and wisdom deeply needed.

Welcome to BGH.

I would think the 243 with 100gr bullets would do fine. But of the two, it would depend on how much muzzlw blast might bother then. 25-06 doesn't recoil bad but there is a lot of noise. I don't know how much compared to a 7-08 as I've never shot one. If the noise doesn't bother them, either would be a good choice.

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7/08

Personally, I like the change from .243 to something a bit bigger. Of the two chamberings you've mentioned, I'd vote for the 7/08, for a couple of reasons. First, it's a S/A chambering and gets full performance from a shorter barrel than does the baby '06. This could mean a 3-5" difference in OAL of a rifle to use.

Second, The 7/08 is loaded in Remington's reduced recoil loads and that might be the place to start with their shooting and hunting with this fine moderate cartridge. Remington's reduced recoil loading still shoots a 140gr bullet, a significant step up in both weight and surface area over the .243 and does it with similar or less recoil than a .243/100gr load.  Yes

Later on, as they grow there are loads for the 7/08 that nearly match the fine .280 Rem that can be used. I think the Remington Model Seven is a great platform for the 7/08

ADDED: Here's what Remington has to say about their reduced recoil load.

 

Remington's Managed-Recoil Ammunition delivers proven hunting performance out to 200 yards with half the felt recoil of normal ammunition. Less recoil means sighting-in at the range becomes a more enjoyable experience and second shot recovery is quicker, so the shooter can get back on target more easily. Specialized bullets were developed specifically to perform at these velocity levels, and they are optimized to provide superior expansion with over 75% weight retention on shots out to 200 yards. 

Technical Information

  • Caliber: 7mm-08 Remington
  • Bullet Weight: 140 Grains
  • Bullet Style: Core-Lokt Pointed Soft Point
  • Case Type: Brass 

    Ballistics Information: 

  • Muzzle Velocity: 2361 fps
  • Muzzle Energy: 1732 ft. lbs.
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    7-08 or 25-06

    With these two caliber to cloose from I would & did pick the 7-08.  I got my 13 yr old daughter a Weatherby Vangaurd youth model 7-08 and she thinks it's great.  It came mounted on a reduced size "plastic" stock and another full sized stock that can be put on later if/when she needs it.  I'll admit that the trigger is nowhere near as good as Savage's accu-trigger but at least when I was looking, Savage didn't have a rifle that was sized to fit my daughter.  Also the Weatherby's trigger is adjustable. 

    She's been shooting the Remington reduced loads both for practice & hunting and they do recoil a lot less than full power loads.  It seems to me that the regular 7-08 140 gr loads have a little less felt or percieved recoil than a friends 25-06 and it does use a short action.  Also I wouldn't hesitate for a second over using a 7-08 for elk & similar sized game especially using premium 140 grain ammo.  I can't say that about the 25-06 or 243.

    I'm a big fan of the 260 also.  It and the 7-08 are pretty much two peas in a pod.  I bought a Remington Model 7 in 260 for my oldest daughter & if it'd come with a left hand bolt I might just have stolen it from her.

    Whichever rifle you choose, consider two things. 1) let your daughter be a part of the process in picking the rifle (she probably couldn't care a wit about caliber she'll shooting but will care a lot about shooting a rifle she likes).  2) Don't saddle a youth or lighter weight rifle with some monstrous 4X12 multi-adjustable long range sniper scope.  Put on a fixed 4X or 6X scope (if you can fing one) or a nice light 2X7 variable.  You might like all those bells & whistles (might even think you need them) but they'll just confuse a young shooter & add distractions that just aren't needed.

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    thanks

    thanks for help and wisdom.Has any one shot new TC rifles

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    I've always thought so

    Hal Fast wrote:

    Whichever rifle you choose, consider two things. 1) let your daughter be a part of the process in picking the rifle (she probably couldn't care a wit about caliber she'll shooting but will care a lot about shooting a rifle she likes).  2) Don't saddle a youth or lighter weight rifle with some monstrous 4X12 multi-adjustable long range sniper scope.  Put on a fixed 4X or 6X scope (if you can fing one) or a nice light 2X7 variable.  You might like all those bells & whistles (might even think you need them) but they'll just confuse a young shooter & add distractions that just aren't needed.

    The 2nd part of that advice can also apply to many seasoned male hunters using large caliber rifles as well.Dancing

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    Well

    WesternHunter wrote:

    Hal Fast wrote:

    Whichever rifle you choose, consider two things. 1) let your daughter be a part of the process in picking the rifle (she probably couldn't care a wit about caliber she'll shooting but will care a lot about shooting a rifle she likes).  2) Don't saddle a youth or lighter weight rifle with some monstrous 4X12 multi-adjustable long range sniper scope.  Put on a fixed 4X or 6X scope (if you can fing one) or a nice light 2X7 variable.  You might like all those bells & whistles (might even think you need them) but they'll just confuse a young shooter & add distractions that just aren't needed.

    The 2nd part of that advice can also apply to many seasoned male hunters using large caliber rifles as well.Dancing

    Well golly gee willikers what a sage piece of wisdom. After all if one heads to the hills with anything larger then a 270 they are surely foolish. Dancing Confused lol

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    That old battle

    SoCoKHntr wrote:

    WesternHunter wrote:

    Hal Fast wrote:

    Whichever rifle you choose, consider two things. 1) let your daughter be a part of the process in picking the rifle (she probably couldn't care a wit about caliber she'll shooting but will care a lot about shooting a rifle she likes).  2) Don't saddle a youth or lighter weight rifle with some monstrous 4X12 multi-adjustable long range sniper scope.  Put on a fixed 4X or 6X scope (if you can fing one) or a nice light 2X7 variable.  You might like all those bells & whistles (might even think you need them) but they'll just confuse a young shooter & add distractions that just aren't needed.

    The 2nd part of that advice can also apply to many seasoned male hunters using large caliber rifles as well.Dancing

    Well golly gee willikers what a sage piece of wisdom. After all if one heads to the hills with anything larger then a 270 they are surely foolish. Dancing Confused lol

    Good to hear from you again SoCo.

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    Oh

    WesternHunter wrote:

    Good to hear from you again SoCo.

    No problem Jack O.

    Your dear friend

    E. Keith

    On a serious note either caliber would be great but my preference would be for the 25-06. Just would like to own that cal someday for long range antelope, yote, and deer, hunting. Haven't handled a TC but their fine looking rifles with great reviews.

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    7mm-08

    The 7-08 shouldn't kick that much more compared to a .243.  I would avoid reduced recoil factory loads because they generally get their reduced recoil at the expense of performance, afterall there's no point in going bigger caliber if you're going to reduce it's load and performance, right?

    Going up from .243 to .25-06 isn't going to be a bad transition at all.  A lot of taming recoil has to do with how the rifle fits and how well the shooter is holding the rifle.  It's all a matter of physics - action yeilds an opposite reaction, the heavier the bullet and more powder behind it, then the more recoil you will have to deal with.  Again I would avoid reduced recoil loads in anything but a plinking round, it really defeats the whole purpose of going bigger.

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    the idea

    Well, the true idea behind low recoil ammo is that the "beginners" shooting it also do not need to shoot beyond 200 yards as they begin their hunting careers. BUT, as they grow into adulthood they have a cartridge more adaptable than a .243 or .223. The fact that they might already own a .260, 7/08, .308, 30/06 might be something they're happy about as they grow and hunt larger animals.

    It is a great concept IMHO!  Yes

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