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I understand what your saying, I hunt several states for various animals but I accept the fact I am coming to lands even if federal where the animals are free to live on private lands. Kudos to your effort but youll not be getting me to try and lower the cost for someone else to come to my state and hunt federal lands or not.

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"Kudos to your effort but youll not be getting me to try and lower the cost for someone else to come to my state and hunt federal lands or not."

Romey; I under stand I really do. The point is That federal land is not yours! It is ours.
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But the animals in it is the "ours"states not "ours" as in federal Thumbs up

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dellori3 wrote:
"Kudos to your effort but youll not be getting me to try and lower the cost for someone else to come to my state and hunt federal lands or not."

Romey; I under stand I really do. The point is That federal land is not yours! It is ours.
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Dellori3,
What you don't seem to understand is that according to the constitutation, the Feds have no right to control any land within the state. Today it might be just for hunting on Federal land what will it be tomorrow? Why should we have state border's if the federal government can just come in and seize land with legistation and then tell the state that they can't collect fee's to recreate on it? Why don't we just give it all back to the Feds and let them adminster everything, no need for different states.

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Just another thought. I wonder what the feds would charge for a hunting license if they had to actually manage to land as the states do and provide law enforcement in each state? Do herd survey's, preditor control ect. Shoot they'd even need to set up license stations and keep all the same records the states do now. You sure this is something you want?

Isn't the federal government the ones willing to pay $150 for a hammer? You want them controlling the land you want to hunt on?

I would like to hunt out of state, can't afford to but I sure don't want the federal government making it affordable for me. Befor long it will be worse than it is now!

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+1 Don Fischer ! I feel the same, it would definitely make things much worse. Talk to the Hand

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From Idaho

Things are bad all over. Iowa charges $540 for a non-resident deer tag.

Idaho Fish and Game balances their budget by increasing non-resident fees.

Check out Wyoming fees, they are even more outrageous.

Hunting out of state is rapidly becoming a past time of only the very rich.

Check California non-resident fees. They are very high.

Fish and Game Departments feel they can raise non-resident fees without
getting complaints.

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I am courious as to what you think an acceptable non-resident fee would be and what would be an acceptable fed land fee?

Most the states with high non-resident fees are selling a product that people are willing to pay for. If the hunting opertunity wasn't on par with the fee, nobody would pay and the state's would have to drop the fees just to get people to come.

When you say hunting is becomeing a pass time of the rich, your right. But that even apply's to resident's. In Ore we have the draw and living in a unit full time doesn guarentee you a tag. I heard from one guy in Joseph, Ore that didn't draw a deer tag at home so his only option was to drive 300 mi to the west side, one way, if he wanted to hunt; he couldn't afford the trip! Same thing has happened to me several times here. What do you think should be done about residents that are out for no reason other than they can't take the long trip to hunt and have to watch someone from a long ways off or from out of state hunt in their back yard? You see, hunting has already become a pass time for the well off!

People who hunt out of state can also hunt in their state much cheaper than going out of state. But I never hear from them how bad they feel for the resident who can't get a tag in their own home area and can't afford to travel.

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Don has a very valid point. I was just thinking what if you do hunt in California and that the unit that you hunt in has a limited number of tags that they let out for deer. How would you feel if all the tags ended up with non-residents and all the locals drew nothing? When I was a resident of Utah I purchased a lifetime hunting license witch gives me a general deer tag with small game and fishing. There have been a number of years that my brother in law who is a resident will not draw out his deer tag. But he tags along and has just as much fun if not more just being out in the sticks as he puts it. As I said before I hunt a number of states as a non-resident and have to pay what they are asking. If they up the tag fees then I must determine if I really want to spend that kind of money for the hunting recreation that I would obtain from it. Thirty years ago I decided that I was going to hunt a brown bear in Alaska. The guide fee was $7,000 and I saved for a couple of years to be able to hunt that bear, not to mention the other $3,000 that I spent on the permit, travel, clothing, and taxidermy fees and I can't wait to go back in a couple of years and drop $15,000+ for the experience and the fun of the hunt.

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Thanks for the great comments. I guess I wasn't clear on my last post. The comment came from a hunter in Idaho ( Name with held).

I couldn't agree more on California hunting. Most of it stinks and the state looks on it as a "cash cow". Why would any one want to come here and hunt is beyond me. Most of the animals have flees and ticks any way. Yes it is some kind of point system (subject to corruption) to get drawn here.

The point I am trying to make is a legal one according to our United States constitution. " Does a State have the legal right to charge a citizen of the US different fees to hunt on federal land". It is my opinion they do not! Until we get legal opinions from Attorney Generals (and they may differ)

FEES-
Just for starters say you added all the states residents fees together, divide by 50 = Nation Hunting license. ??? That may start to answer the legal question.
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Attached is another thing to boil your blood.

CHEAP TOMATOES?
This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent

From a California school teacher - - -

"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.
(OUR TAX DOLLARS ATWORK).

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
I was ordered to spend$700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America . (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them “Putas" whores and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc., etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements ?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it . Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate , and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about " political Correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.

CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."
Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
He qualifies for food stamps.
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
He requires bilingual teachers and books.
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare.. All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material. He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits. Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.
The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!
THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!'

THIS HAS GOT TO BE PASSED ALONG TO AS MANY AS POSSIBLE OR WE WILL ALL GO DOWN THE DRAIN BECAUSE A FEW DON'T CARE.

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