Alright I have been going at it for about 3 years and have had very little luck. I am starting to think elk are a mythical creature that leaves excrement in the woods and shreds trees. I am really discouraged, I thought this year I would at least see one. Public land hunting is so difficult. I timed the moon right the weather changed, got back in an isolated area and not a darn elk to be seen. I don't really care if I ever get one I just want to see this mythical creature in the wild (no Estes Park tame elk). On another note, I love the adventure, love camping and just being out there. Also I saw a bull moose at 35 yards thought it was an elk and knocked an arrow, sucker turned and I saw his massive beard and took a picture instead. I posted it but it is real grainy, I guess if I had a moose tag I might have been eating moose for a year. Good luck to all public land hunters, the true test in perseverance.