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I have to agree with hawkeye

I have to agree with hawkeye on this one. The lung shot is highest percentage kill shot to take on a deer. There is a bigger vital area to aim for. Plus the deer will die if hit in the lungs, even if it is hit high in the lungs or one lung for that matter. I, nor any of the guys I hunt with, have lost a deer that has been shot in the lungs. Not only that, but it is a rare occassion the deer will run farther than 60 yards. We have recovered deer hit in one lung within a hundred yards of where they were shot. I believe the 3x3 Blacktail deer you shot was not shot in the lungs. You probably shot him back a little ways and hit him in the liver or guts. A deer can not go far if it is hit in the lungs, it's impossible.

If you don't aim for a lung shot, then where do you plan on shooting a deer? The heart...a fatal shot but much harder to do every single time. Also the possibility of shooting the deer in the brisket and a long delay before tracking. The deer may even survive that shot. Not to mention missing the deer totally. The spine is definitely a fatal shot but still harder than the other two bullet placements. The other problem with trying a spine shot is missing the spine altogether and hitting the deer in "no mans land" between the spine and the lungs. Now you'll lose that deer 75% of the time. The head and neck shots are lethal but still again difficult to do 100% of the time and really shouldn't be tried by the majority of hunters.

I'm not trying to be harsh at all. I just disagree with that statement vehemently.

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Making a shot count.

ecubackpacker wrote:

I have to agree with hawkeye on this one. The lung shot is highest percentage kill shot to take on a deer. There is a bigger vital area to aim for. Plus the deer will die if hit in the lungs, even if it is hit high in the lungs or one lung for that matter. I, nor any of the guys I hunt with, have lost a deer that has been shot in the lungs. Not only that, but it is a rare occassion the deer will run farther than 60 yards. We have recovered deer hit in one lung within a hundred yards of where they were shot. I believe the 3x3 Blacktail deer you shot was not shot in the lungs. You probably shot him back a little ways and hit him in the liver or guts. A deer can not go far if it is hit in the lungs, it's impossible.

If you don't aim for a lung shot, then where do you plan on shooting a deer? The heart...a fatal shot but much harder to do every single time. Also the possibility of shooting the deer in the brisket and a long delay before tracking. The deer may even survive that shot. Not to mention missing the deer totally. The spine is definitely a fatal shot but still harder than the other two bullet placements. The other problem with trying a spine shot is missing the spine altogether and hitting the deer in "no mans land" between the spine and the lungs. Now you'll lose that deer 75% of the time. The head and neck shots are lethal but still again difficult to do 100% of the time and really shouldn't be tried by the majority of hunters.

I'm not trying to be harsh at all. I just disagree with that statement vehemently.

NO NO!  Don't miss understand me that the place to aim is on the rib cage.  But what I was referring to is don't aim high because you will get nothing but lungs and the deer will die, but they can still go a long ways before they lay down and die.  Aim in the lower part towards the front of the rib cage.  Right behind the front shoulder and you will hiit the heart.  That is the place to aim.  I agree that the neck shot is the most lethal and a friend of mine, that is where he would aim every time and made fun of anybody shooting anywhere else,  But all it takes is for the deer to move and you are going to miss.   Never ever aim at the stomach.  Your deer meat will be ruined most of the time if you do that.  Liver shot is another bad shot because you might hit the bile duct and the meat will be contaminated with the bile.

I aim at the heart and have dropped many deer where the bullet has gone right through the heart, but they would still go about ten yards and drop.

What I have posted is by experience that I have had, now it might have had different results for you and I respect what you say, but everytime I have shot a deer up high in the lung area, they have gone a long ways yet.

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i have seen one lunged deer

i have seen one lunged deer before with scar tissue on a shrivled and degraded puntured lung that looked eerily like a broadhead wound.

and as a child, i took a small buck with 5 holes in his flesh from his rump to the lower flab of the neck.

i see whay lots of guys aim for the shoulder. you have a high probability of hitting the front of the lung, and it often drops them where they stand. but, you have a lower probability of that shot. it's personal choice. i like head shots, and use them when i'm presented with the right oppertunity. a good rest, a still or bedded deer, and calm winds. if it's the right oppertunity, i'll take the head shot and make shure i don't waste anything. but if i don't have a good angle or good conditions, i take the lung shot and pray my bullet doesn't get into the meat.

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Back to the thread I guess...

Back to the thread I guess... I finally got my mule deer and antelope bullet figured out. I will be using a 130 grain ballistic silvertip from my .270. I wasn't able to drive it to the 3100 feet per second that I was shooting for (pun intended), but it is a real shooter and it is still plenty fast for long range shooting. The ballistic silvertip has a much higher ballistic coefficient than my old western silvertips which will aid in long range shooting as well. I getting about 2950 feet per second out of it but it is printing half inch groups at one hundred yards. I am happy with the results. I will hopefully be finding out this weekend how they perform on pronghorn up in Wyoming.

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Good Bullet

The 243 win in a 100gr preferably a hornady

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The Wyoming antelope hunt was

The Wyoming antelope hunt was a blast and my new loads worked out great. I shot my doe at 357 yards and she dropped in her tracks. She literally took no steps and just dropped straight down. The shot was a high lung shot and exited. I think this kind of proves the benefits of the lung shot... including the high luch shot. More energy is departed to the spine in the form of hydrostatic shock and therefore played a part in her dropping dead on impact in my opinion. The ballistic silvertips did wonderfully on her and I am very happy with them. After I can get this load up to around 3050 or 3100 fps by tweaking seating depth, I will use them on deer. I guess if I can not get them up there I will still use them next year. But that is the goal anyway.

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Lung Shot

If the antelope dropped right on the spot, you must have gotten part of the spinal cord damaged for it to drop the way you discribe it, because if it was just a lung shot it would not drop right on the spot.  Been hunting too long and know what will drop them on the spot.  Breaking there back or neck shot will drop them on the spot. 

 Right through the heart, they will still go about ten  yards.  Just a lung shot?  They can go for a long ways.  But who ever does not believe me, read on About.Com Hunting/Shooting Guide by Russ Chastain.

We both agree on how far a animal will go with just a regular lung shot, but if it strikes the shoulder or the spine, then it will drop right on the spot.

And 357 yard shot?  WOW! the antelope must of looked about as big as a jack rabbit. Applause

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IMO - the Sierra falls apart

IMO - the Sierra falls apart pretty easily

I like the Barnes TSX - I shoot the 165gr out of my 300 win mag

It performs real well for me - and I've taken elk, bear, mule deer, blacktail deer, pronghorn and pig all with that rifle - no complaints yet!

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What he said....

Orduckhunter is correct in his assertion about the Barnes TSX. They are amazing bullets and have performed flawlessly for me, every time. I use the same bullet in my 300WSM. Killed my elk cow this year with it and she dropped in her tracks

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