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stiffer load

kansaskid wrote:

Tried IMR4895 / 43.6 grains with my 165 HPBT....WOW! Hole for hole!! Not the fastest load I have shot, but the accuracy is sweet. Only running about 2,600 fps but it is a tack puncher.

It think I would prefer getting that velocity up just a touch for a hunting load because I like to be prepared for long shots. As long as you aren't sacrificing too much accuracy for it you might want to up it a bit. It will certainly do the job though. Just my $.02

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i have used 4895 in the past

i have used 4895 in the past with good performance. but unfortunately, i had several problems with shells not firing at low temperatures (around 0 degrees F) i have since switched to reloader 19 and like the performance a little better. mostly in the trajectory. i have a perfect maximum point blank range of 200 yards.with my 100 and 300 being equal. so, from 100-300 yards, just aim for center of the body and i'll hit it. unfortunately, some powders will drive tacks all summer long, and when low temps roll around, they can't hit a pie plate at 200 yards. it's part of life.

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Never tried those ones.  I

Never tried those ones.  I shoot 180 grain core-lokt soft points out of my .06

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Mule deer bullet choice

The primary rifle that I like to use for big mule deer is a Bar 300 mag winchester and the bullet is a bonded bear claw 180 gr.  I prefer using this because it does not cause a lot of damage.  The bullet construction features 100 percent fusion bonded cores for up to 95 percent weight retention for maximum penetration.  Yet it has great knock down power.The speed is tremendous and very little drop at three hundred yards.

If I get tired carrying around the heavy Bar, I switch to my back up rifle which is a Remington 30-06 and on that I prefer a different type of bullet.  The cartridge that I could shoot a tight pattern is the Winchester Super X 150 gr power point (s.p.)

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RayChez wrote, " I prefer

RayChez wrote, " I prefer using this because it does not cause a lot of damage." Can you explain that statement. Most people want a bullet to cause as much damage as possible, resulting in a quick, humane kill. I try to shoot deer in the boiler room and not the shoulders, so I don't understand why you wouldn't want to inflict as much damage as possible.
By the way, welcome to BGH and good luck on your hunts!

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Damage from bullet

What I mean by using a bullet that makes a small hole where it goes in and only about a one inch hole where it comes out.  If you use the wrong type of bullet you can lose a lot of good meat because of the damage caused by too much expansion.  A few years ago I was using the wrong type of bullet and it left about a four inch hole where it come out.  That is too much damage in my opinion.  That was with a 30-06 cartridge.

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Ray-chez, I can see where

Raychez, I can see where your coming from but you can also flip that to if you dont have a bullet that expands enough you run the risk of loosing your animal. me personaly I'd like a bullet that has good expantion and good weight retention. I take a little more damage and wasted meat over little to no expantion and loosing an animal.

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Losing Game!

I have been hunting since I was sixteen, and I am sixty seven now.  In all those years I have lost two deer that I shot and they just did not drop dead.  I thought they would walk a ways and then lay down and die, but in either case I couldn't find them.  Unfortunately I found one the following day, but he had already spoiled.  It really bother me that I had not used the proper bullet to bring down such a big buck.  It was a big bodied 4x5 and I shot him at real close range using a 30-06, but the bullet was only a 125 gr sp.  The buck took off running when I shot him and dropped about two hundred yards in some thick brush.  That taught me a lesson to use a heavier bullet like between 150 gr to 180 gr. 

The other buck I never found him but it was a Black tail buck 3x3 and I shot him using a 30-30 winchester rifle.  I made a lung shot and he was walking real slow.  I was almost positive he would lay down and die, but he got into the high timber in California and I lost him.  But that is why I emphasized that a lung shot is not a good shot in my opinion.  A buck will still walk a long ways before they lay down and die.

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it happens

Thats a bummer you didnt find those deer but it happens. luckily i havent lost an animal yet i say cause it could still happen. with my 30-06 i use a 180gr bullet for just about everything. a few years ago i used a 150gr on deer and they worked good, but i got tired of resiteing in my gun from 150-to 180gr for deer to elk so i just decided to us 180 for all. I use the wichester supreme xp-3's. they are a good bullet expand great and hold a lot of there weight.

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beg to differ

RayChez wrote:

I have been hunting since I was sixteen, and I am sixty seven now.  In all those years I have lost two deer that I shot and they just did not drop dead.  I thought they would walk a ways and then lay down and die, but in either case I couldn't find them.  Unfortunately I found one the following day, but he had already spoiled.  It really bother me that I had not used the proper bullet to bring down such a big buck.  It was a big bodied 4x5 and I shot him at real close range using a 30-06, but the bullet was only a 125 gr sp.  The buck took off running when I shot him and dropped about two hundred yards in some thick brush.  That taught me a lesson to use a heavier bullet like between 150 gr to 180 gr. 

The other buck I never found him but it was a Black tail buck 3x3 and I shot him using a 30-30 winchester rifle.  I made a lung shot and he was walking real slow.  I was almost positive he would lay down and die, but he got into the high timber in California and I lost him.  But that is why I emphasized that a lung shot is not a good shot in my opinion.  A buck will still walk a long ways before they lay down and die.

I am sorry but I have to disagree with your comment that "a lung shot is not a good shot". Now it sounds like you have a lot of experience but the lung shot has pretty much become the only universally accepted shot on thin skinned ungulates. Yes... there are people who shoot for the head or neck but there is just too much room for error in both of these shots. The brain on a deer is about the size of an apple... the spinal column in the neck about the size of a pop can. The vital zone (heart, lungs and liver) are about the size of a small trash can lid. All of my animals have been taken with the lung shot and NONE of them have "walked a long ways before they died". I've come acrossed emaciated deer and elk that starved to death because some hot shot tried to shoot them in the head and instead blew their lower jaw to shreds. The lung shot, is the only shot on thin-skinned ungulates in my oppinion.

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