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SGM.........My unit is a bit

SGM.........My unit is a bit different. ML and archery combined is 169 hunters. 1st rifle is only 75 hunters. If I see one other hunter i'll be surprised. Especially, where I hunt.

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Yes, the rut is

Yes, the rut is unpredictable. Last year it came late, and the bugles seemed low too. That's why I said earlier that the rut could be over by 1st rifle season if the rut comes early.

 

This forum is messed up on keeping the posts in order.

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Is there a link that provide

Is there a link that provide information on how many tags are allotted for a particular hunt? Say 1st rifle in unit X?

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BuckSmasher wrote:

Is there a link that provide information on how many tags are allotted for a particular hunt? Say 1st rifle in unit X?

As far as when the rut starts, it will start in August and continue until November.  The weather is no factor in it.  Just because you do not hear any bugling doesn't mean that it isn't on.  A lot of elk are call shy and I have been areas that you will not hear a single bugle except for other hunters and I have been in areas that the elk are screaming their heads off. 

As for a link here is one that is on the Colorado DP&W site in the statics page. 

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Never said bugling had

Never said bugling had anything to do with the rut. I just mentioned there wasn't much of it last year. The rut did start late last year.

Aug to Nov is a bit of a stretch.

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OK, late August to early

OK, late August to early November.  It all depends on the cows, if they are is estrus they will breed it has nothing to do with weather.  I have seen bulls chasing cows the first weekend of the bow hunt here in Colorado and I have also seen them doing the same thing during the 3 season cow hunt here in Colorado.

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Thank you for the link

Thank you for the link Critter but it seems to disagree with the minimum preference point information that the DOW published... what gives?

 

For example hunt code EM067O1R is listed here: http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteCollectionDocuments/DOW/Hunting/BigGame/... as being able to draw with zero points.

 

Here its says there were 272 tags available and 356 first choice applicants..... I am confused.... Of course the cut and paste screwed the format up... can someone explain?

EM067O1R 272 48 0 0| 356 154 58 24| 211 145 0 | 48 |Resident Preference Points
| 17 19 8 7| 142 57 4 6 2 0
| 0 0 0 0| Non Resident Pref Points
68 65 8 2 1 1
0 0 0 0 0 0
Priority LandOwner Pref Points
14 3 0 0 0 0
Traditional LandOwner Pref Points

 

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Technically you have good

Technically you have good odds of drawing with 0 points but it isn't guaranteed.  The preference points are just there as a guide.  I had one unit years ago that didn't require a point to draw the tag.  That was until more hunters applied than there were tags then if you really wanted a tag you were better off with a point. 

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I agree Critter. Seen them in

I agree Critter. Seen them in Aug and Nov, but not usually in the same year. Start early..end early. Start late...end late.

Unless my memory is failing me again.  Confused

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Buck.........The points

Buck.........The points system can be confusing. If it says it takes 0 points to get a tag. It only means you could get the tag with 0 points. It's not always a guarantee.

You need to look at the results and count from the most points someone used to the least amount of points. Then look at how many total were issued. Then you can figure out what pecentage of the 0 points applicants got the tag. As an example.

Lets say a unit was issued 100 tags. 5 people had 5 points who applied. 5 people had 4 points. 5people had 3 points. Nobody had 2 points. 5 had 1 point. 100 had 0 points.

So, you add the ones who had points and it totals to 20 people. They all got tags. That leaves 80 tags left for those who had 0 points. Or an 80% chance. It's true that 0 points got the tag, but not everybody did.

It's actually more complicated. You have to figure resident, non resident, landowners etc.

I don't know if you know this, but you can call up the DOW, and they'll give you your chances of drawing for all the units in all the seasons. Even then it's going by what happened in 2011. Nothing is a slam dunk except over the counter tags. Anytime you enter a draw you can lose.

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