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Let me be more clear about

Let me be more clear about the flintlock season. As if the slower ignition wouldn't be handicap enough. It will also only be legal to shoot a PRB. This will restrict the range quite a bit compared to a modern inline shooting BH 209, and a modern bullet like a Thor with peep sights.

I know guys who are accurate at 200yds with that setup, and the bullet still has the energy to kill an elk.

The flintlock with primitive sights is at best a 100yd gun if you have young vision. If it's a .50cal you better be even closer with a PRB. Energy drops really fast past 50yds.

Then you also have the problem of keeping the powder dry during the wet Sept month.

As for the compound bow? 80yd elk kills are becoming common now. Not what the DOW had in mind when they handed out a whole month during the rut for bow hunters.

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Unfortunately

As technology advances we will continue to see this in many areas related to hunting and shooting. Isn't this argument about bows and muzzles and shot yardage the same as guys taking and (sometimes, mainly the TV pros) killing big game animals out from 700 to a thousand yards with rifle in regular seasons.

I've personally hunted elk with first muzzle and now bow, and think the seasons are fine how they are. From my experience it's definitely harder, if you are one who doesn't want to wound animals, to bow hunt waiting for the right range, 40 yds and under combined with the right shot broadside boiler room. I don't think theres many (I hope) actually flinging arrows a hundred yards at elk. I've seen it on the shows myself, but hopefully the majority of regular guy hunters aren't doing it. The rut generally gets really going by mid week of muzzleloader season and guys toting a smokepole whether a round or maxi ball with an eighty to one hundred yard range, or a guy shooting a power belt or other some such better flying bullet opening em to 100 to 150 has a darn good chance to harvest an elk. This past season most of the elk I saw or heard of being taken by muzzle or bow and most of the chances I had to to fill my tag were during the muzzleloader season. More then once I had elk from 60 to 100 yards and thought , "gee, it'd be nice if I had a muzzleloader in my hands right now".

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It would be nice if we could

It would be nice if we could have a long bow season shooting cedar shaft arrows with a flint napped arrowhead tied together with sinew and turkey feathers for fletching along with a ML season shooting only hunter molded spit patched round balls but it isn't going to happen.  All we can do is make the best of what is offered and go with it. 

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I know, but I can dream a

I know, but I can dream a little.

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How does a bow or muzzle

How does a bow or muzzle hunter using modern equipment spoil the hunt for the more primitive equipment hunters? I'd be willing to bet any other recreational outdoors user (hiker, biker, camper, etc.) would spoil your primitive hunt just as quickly as another hunter using any kind of equipment.

If you hunt in areas where there's lots of activity limiting the hunting to primitive equipment isn't going to really matter.

More to the point, most of us probably work hard to hunt in areas where there are not many other outdoor users (hunter or not) and I'm pretty sure the elk aren't going to care whether you're slinging arrows with a longbow or shooting roundballs with your flintlock. If you want to hunt with primitive equipment then go for it. What's the difference if another hunter chooses otherwise?

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If you have to ask, you

If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand.

btw I do use primitive muzzleloader gear, and I use it in ML and rifle seasons. I like the challenge.

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Muzzy/archery

Maybe the CDWP could do a few Units just for primitive. LOL!!! It started as primitive, but has sort of morphed into something else. I know times change and the wheel is reinvented from time to time. You will never please everyone. These damn animals are chased from end of August to Jan in some cases. It is a wonder any of them have fat on them. It would be a challenge in the rain or snow with powder in the pan. I would just sleep in!! Either way just go have fun. It is not about the kill. Good luck!!

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Exactly! It's not about just

Exactly! It's not about just the kill. It's the hunt, and how it's done.

My dad always taught me that it's not about making everything easy.

When we get old, and only have memories. Will you remember the hard hunts, or the easy hunts?

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Ya, you're right. Silly me. I

Ya, you're right. Silly me. I don't understand... especially since I'm not asking about how you define a challenge or success.  But thanks for letting me know how much you enjoy a challenge anyway.

In the mean time, let's criticize other hunting methods and equipment and give PETA (and the rest of the anti's) more fodder to try to limit hunting activities.  That's not really challenging or successful if you ask me.  But I don't get it, so don't ask me.  

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Let's not become sarcastic

Let's not become sarcastic about it. You gave your opinion, and you didn't seem to get why I want a primitive season. I'm hardly alone with those thought. Just go on any traditional muzzleloader forum, and ask them. You could do the same with traditional bow hunting too. It not an original thought. PA has a primitive ML season, and a regular ML season. It seems to work out fine. You may not be aware, but Colorado banned inline muzzleloaders for a year, but too much pressure to stick with it. They would have stuck to it if they could have. They also thought of banning BH 209, but never tried it. The DOW wants a primitive ML season, but got too much pressure to stick with it. So, we have what we have now. A half ass ML season.

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