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Not sure if you anti-MB guys don't like it because of the noise or because is looks sissy-boy. I can understand the latter, because it does look quite non-traditional on a hunting rifle. I totally get how that can be a big turn-off.

If it's noise, then I think it depends wildly on the type of break and the caliber it sits on. Like I said, my .30-06 + MB is quieter than any nonMB 300 mag I've heard. If you won't allow my .30-06 into your camp because of noise, then you won't allow anyone to show up with a standard 300 ... which is really odd to me, considering both the popularity and utility of that caliber.

Maybe a mag with a muzzle break is obnoxiously loud. I don't know ... never heard one.

When I go hunting, we don't fire rifles in camp. When we hunt, we scatter across the region doing our own thing, keeping in radio contact should we need each other. I wouldn't care if one of my buddies used a howitzer -- it's 5 miles away from me, so a few extra dbs doesn't affect me one bit. So, I'm not quite sure why you'd care if one of your hunting party used a loud gun. Just curious.

Anyway, I think the OP got good info here. Reduces recoil. Adds to noise. Type of break and type of caliber affects the recoil/noise attributes. Couple of links to good articles on breaks.

Take care.

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Muzzlebrakes make the gun louder and reduce recoil.

In general they will not make a rifle more accurate, although there are adjustable brake systems that allow you to tune in the load your shooting. Although this tuning could be accomplished with a fixed brake or no brake by tuning in the load bullet, powder, etc. In other words a muzzlebrake is not going to fix a gun that is shooting poorly because there is some issue with the barrel.

Muzzlebrakes recoil reduction is significant and the noise increase is as well. Its generally not a good idea to shoot a braked gun w/o hearing protection, nor to touch off a braked gun near or around somebody who is not wearing hearing protection. The fact that brakes require hearing protection (at least among those that appreciate their hearing) makes them less popular with hunters.

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Muzzle Brake

a muzzle brake works by directing high-speed gun gas back at you as the gun is fired, thus reducing the pressure at the muzzle and reducing recoil. several disadvantages are that they are dangerous to your hearing. without a muzzle brake, the sound waves are mostly traveling away from you. with a muzzle brake, those gases are coming right back at you. i dont know about you, but i value my eardrums. i also believe that in some areas of the US, if you have a muzzle brake mounted on your weapon as well as another tactical device (e.g. flash hider, silencer, etc.) that your weapon now falls under a special catagory, like a Class III. one last note, i really don't believe a muzzle brake is necesarry, unless you are shooting something huge like a .416 Rigby or a .375 H&H, or the big one, the .50 BMG.

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i have the BOSS system on my .300wsm S/STALKER BROWNING .that being said i hunt with ear plugs and it is a must ..the noise is deafening ..also the BOSS can be tuned for accuracy .do i realy need the BOSS ,the less recoil i get the better it is for me ..i can always remove the BOSS and install the CR. [conventional recoil ] the noise is still there be it a 300wsm or a 300 mag they are all uncomfortable to OUR ear drums ..i used to shoot a 30-06 and even with that caliber i wore ear protection [wise decission] i hunted 30 odd years with a 30-06 and it did the job .....then i got into caribou hunting ,and for realy long shots i wanted something that can reach out ..and nail them .. when i bought my 300wsm i sold all of my other rifles ,the 300wsm does a complete job on MOOSE ,BEAR, CARIBOU,AND DEER ..alway's use the same rifle it's like a third arm ..

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again if I may be permitted to add my 2 cents worth.

if you choose the right model you will not experience an increase in the noise level.

http://www.muzzlebrakes.com/

this is the one I have installed on my rifle...... this model dispels sound all around the muzzle not only on the sides but in the front as well.

2 things it does very well

1) reduce the felt recoil
2) prevents the rifle barrel from lifting and that permits a repeat shot in the case were it may be needed without loosing the sight picture

well for some " I, we" muzzle brake users can be called sissies
that's why there are so many different types and makes of rifles on the market
this way everyone finds what he or she wants

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The best and cheapest way to reduce recoil and at the same time reduce the noise?

I duct tape a pillow to the butt of the rifle and jam a potato on the muzzle. Your friends might laugh but do they have a pillow with them for a quick siesta or a warm potato for lunch? Pretty soon everyone will be doing it.

The only downside? The local gunstore will run low on ,460 Weatherby Mag cartridges. Remember you read it right here on BGH!

Never bring a knife to a gun fight

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I put a MB on my M14 and I found that my follow up shots were faster especialy when I use a scope. Instead of looking at the clouds after a shot I'm right back on target. When I'm hunting with it I don't lose track of the game I'm shooting at.
F.K.

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No serious gun shop commandos or organic vegetable rights activists must read this forum. Too bad because that might make for some interesting exchanges. I was just kidding about the pillow and the potato.

Anyway I do have a big bore rifle that has been ported as opposed to having an aftermarket muzzle brake installed. For asthetic reasons I prefer porting. I shoot a Marlin 1895G in .45-70 Govt. This lever action has a very short barrel (18.5") and kicks pretty hard. Especially when I run Garrett Hammerhead and BuffaloBore magnum rds through it. I like those cartridges for the really big and dangerous stuff. If I hit them in the right place I don't need to worry about tracking because they stop right there. Period.

This rifle used to roll upward and kick real hard until I had a gunsmith in Colorado put 5 holes on each side of the front sight at a 45 degree angle and 2 facing directly out to the side and centered on the top five. The result was nothing short of dramatic. The rifle now comes straight back. It still kicks or it would be a girl's gun. But the difference with the porting is that it is controllable with the biggest loads. I'm ready to get back on target for a second shot if the first one failed to put Godzilla on the turf.

Loud? Any big rifle is loud and if you're stupid enough to shoot without ear protection, especially considering the technology available today, then you deserve to be deaf. You'd better learn sign language. Anything louder than a .22LR hurts my ears. I"ve learned one thing after a life of doing really dumb stuff because some idiot called me a sissy. If it hurts it's probably not good for you...always use proper ear protection. You can't replace your hearing once it's gone.

The only other drawback with any kind of porting or muzzle brake system will show up when you fire from the prone position. Wear eye protection because when you redirect some of the blast outward and even downward it can kick up a lot of debris. I hear blindness sucks too.

Good luck and don't worry about what the kids down at the local gun range are whispering about. The important thing to remember is that when the time comes for that once in a lifetime shot on a trophy, or if Yogi and Boo Boo come tearing into camp during dinner, you're not afraid to pull the trigger.

One last suggestion...if you go shopping for a bigger gun...buy the one everyone says is too much...I still giggle a little before I pull the trigger. And I know everyone within 5 miles flinches. Have fun!

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Do you wear hearing protection when you hunt? I personally don't which is why I won't shoot a rifle with a break - among other reasons. There is no doubt they work, but the noise level is still excessive unless although some may be more "quiet" than others - at least according to the people trying to sell them. I've got friends that are professional hunters and outfitters who will curse at the mention of a muzzle break because of the noise (which they won't do in front of Joe Client) . I guess my thought it is to to do unto others as you would unto yourself, and you will get invited on a lot more good deal hunts which is why I don't subject other people to the noise of these things.

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On my .300 Ultra Mag I used to have a very hard time keeping the scope zeroed. That MAY have been a mounting issue, but when I put the break on that gun, I never had a problem again. And it now kicks less than any elk capable gun I have. I was really considering selling the gun before I put the break on, because the recoil was worse than I wanted to deal with and I couldn't shoot it as accurately as I wanted to. I routinely shoot that gun a lot more than I would before breaking her, and I'm more accurate with that gun than ever before. I never anticipated it helping with the scope issues, but that was an added side benefit.
And yes, it is LOUD! I cannot hear the bullet strike on game the way I normally do. In fact sometimes shooting that gun, or my ported Taurus .357, I hear NOTHING. My hearing literally goes blank for more than a couple of seconds. I gradually hear a ringing that increases in volume over the next 30 or so seconds until my hearing comes back.
I won't shoot those guns without protection anymore, it is painful and scary to contemplate losing my hearing permanently. I have only minor hearing damage so far, and will do what I can to make sure it doesn't get worse. I hate the idea of wearing hearing protection while hunting, but I have several friends who don't mind it all and I may soon become one of them.

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