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Lemmon, SD

Went on a hunt with an outfitter by the name of LodgePole Creek. We had loads of snow and very difficult hunting conditions. We seen some shooter deer (mulley and Whitetail), but many were on property that was not huntable (posted ground).

The reason I am writing this is to prevent anyone from getting ripped off like we did.

The outfitter told us that there were 15 different food plots planted, with stands and shooting houses around them. This is not true. One shooting house not facing any food plot.

The outfitter was supposed to feed us. This did not happen. Breakfast 2 days (one day we were 3 mintues late and he told us we couldn't eat) Lunch (maybe) stale sliced bread and old lunch meat. There was bologna and ham that was very slimmy and looked bad to me. Dinner 4 nights, one serving each, one night he sent over 2 half medium cheese pizzas. Never offered us anything to drink, soda or otherwise. At the one dinner at his house he gave us one gallon of tap water without ice.

We arrived on Monday night (hunt started Tuesday) he told us his committment to us started on Tuesday and we were on our own for food Monday night. We were supposed to start hunting at 5 am on Tuesday, but he was called away to drive a bus and we didn't start driving the 25 miles to the ranch until 6:20 am.

We payed good money for this hunt 2450.00 each and there were 5 of us. Mother nature dropped alot of snow on SD, but his hospitality toward us was what made the hunt horrible. I wanted everyone to know that hunting with LodgePole Creek Outfitters isn't a smart idea. He will take your money and give you nothing in return.

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Location: Montana
Joined: 10/24/2006
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Mule Deer hunting in Special West River

Here is the thing about western SD deer hunting.
There is a MASSIVE hunter lock out between locals and game fish and parks. Sort of a interesting issue that effects all hunters local and non resident alike. This has allowed alot "outfitters" to spring up what guide on thier own land. Outiftting is illegal on public lands in SD and hence there is no liscense required or schooling to become a outfitter and (noone they need to answer to buisness or ethics wise). Still not really a issue but the result has brought up several things.
Doe populations are massive, even within the lockouts, ranchers who charge for bucks are begging people to come take does free.
As much public land as South Dakota has many many local hunters are going out of state.
Personally i feel that that real issue is lockout ranches LIKE the lock out because it allows more opportunity to charge for Bucks but the spike in deer population has caused a lot of forage and crop damage of which they complain of greatly, to no ones suprise.
I found it some interesting that the wife of one of the members of the hunterlock out is married to one of the board of directors for Game Fish and Parks. AND they do well on pay hunting. No question their right to do so, but i thought interesting in a conflict of interests on the issues that the lockout was called upon, in other words its BS on both sides.
The only ones being hurt are hunters and proper wildlife conservation, the only ones to gain is Game fish and parks in more exspensive tag fees and the Lockout land owners.
I havent really injected my opinion on the subject just thought id toss some information on the subject of big game hunting in SD. A simple google search will exsplain more on the subject.

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RE:superatc

Sorry to hear about your shitty trip. That sucks. You should file something with the better business b.

I didn't go out the first weekend due to the weather. I'm heading to the hills and west river this thursday to bring some animals to the ground.

RD

Location: Western South Dakota
Joined: 05/12/2008
Posts: 16
Mule Deer hunting in Special West River
Romey wrote:
Here is the thing about western SD deer hunting.
There is a MASSIVE hunter lock out between locals and game fish and parks. Sort of a interesting issue that effects all hunters local and non resident alike. This has allowed alot "outfitters" to spring up what guide on thier own land. Outiftting is illegal on public lands in SD and hence there is no liscense required or schooling to become a outfitter and (noone they need to answer to buisness or ethics wise). Still not really a issue but the result has brought up several things.
Doe populations are massive, even within the lockouts, ranchers who charge for bucks are begging people to come take does free.
As much public land as South Dakota has many many local hunters are going out of state.
Personally i feel that that real issue is lockout ranches LIKE the lock out because it allows more opportunity to charge for Bucks but the spike in deer population has caused a lot of forage and crop damage of which they complain of greatly, to no ones suprise.
I found it some interesting that the wife of one of the members of the hunterlock out is married to one of the board of directors for Game Fish and Parks. AND they do well on pay hunting. No question their right to do so, but i thought interesting in a conflict of interests on the issues that the lockout was called upon, in other words its BS on both sides.
The only ones being hurt are hunters and proper wildlife conservation, the only ones to gain is Game fish and parks in more exspensive tag fees and the Lockout land owners.
I havent really injected my opinion on the subject just thought id toss some information on the subject of big game hunting in SD. A simple google search will exsplain more on the subject.

I feel the need to make a minnor statement here. The lock out is something that covers a limited amount of land. My personal opion is that its a dumb idea. This is why.

There are alot of deer in Western SD, and alot of places to hunt. The ranchers that participate in the lock out are only hurting themselves and hunters NOT the GFP. They have to deal with the extra deer that are the result of a rapid expanding population the last few years and there is no hunting to control that population. Also, they are receiving no revenue from the lock out, it seems most of these ranchers and farmers are mad at the GFPs. The lock out was designed to get the GFP to change some of its ways of doing things but causeing the GFP to lose revenue do to lost sale of tags in those units. The GFP as for the most part ignored the lock out. Because:

Many of the units in Western SD sell out of "anydeer tags" every year, hence the lock out is having minnor effect on the GFPs income. Hunters are still buy the tags, they are jsut hunting on places where the land owners allow hunting. The outfitters / ranchers that provide hunts have a easyer time finding customers due to fewer places to hunt.

The people that are being hurt by this are guys that want to come hunt, not the GFP. As for this being a oppertunity for outfitters to rake hunters over the coals, I dont believe that is a fair statement. There are many affordable reasonably priced hunts in SD.

Do you have a problem with paying a rancher or farmer to hunt a deer that he has had to tolerate all year, fixed fence thats was torn downafter a herd of deer ran threw it? With stood the losses to his crops that were eaten and damged from the day they sprouted and started to grow? How about the forgage that his cattle lost due to the herds of deer? It seems as though its not unreasonable for the land owner to want to recap some of the loss due to these animal. If you beleive that all outfitters and land owners are out to cheat you I suggest that you stick to public ground. After all, public ground is where all the big deer are.Right??? Bash

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Mule Deer hunting in Special West River

I never said or implied that anyone was out to rake hunters and infact i am a licensed guide and certainly have no issue with charging for services. Infact your are saying nothing more then what i already stated.
The only differance is that yes there are PLENTY of trohpy animals infact more then 75% world class scoring animals are taken on public land. That is certainly NOT the issue here.
I do however have a problem with landowners preferance tags being resold to the general public for a "outfitted" hunt which is illegal .
As for cheating, im not sure where in my statement you get that from, possibly striking a nerve? As said i am a guide and a land owner in both montana and south dakota, I am NOT out of the loop and i am also a hunter who personally hunts public and private land so from all those aspects i know where all sides are coming from and all sides are about half right.

Location: Western South Dakota
Joined: 05/12/2008
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Mule Deer hunting in Special West River
Romey wrote:
I never said or implied that anyone was out to rake hunters and infact i am a licensed guide and certainly have no issue with charging for services. Infact your are saying nothing more then what i already stated.
The only differance is that yes there are PLENTY of trohpy animals infact more then 75% world class scoring animals are taken on public land. That is certainly NOT the issue here.
I do however have a problem with landowners preferance tags being resold to the general public for a "outfitted" hunt which is illegal .
As for cheating, im not sure where in my statement you get that from, possibly striking a nerve? As said i am a guide and a land owner in both montana and south dakota, I am NOT out of the loop and i am also a hunter who personally hunts public and private land so from all those aspects i know where all sides are coming from and all sides are about half right.

If I came off as combative or unhappy with you that was not my intent. I more or less agreeing with much of what you have said.

I personally think that a landowner should be able to secure a tag for their hunters rather then apply threw a lottry system. You are correct that is illegal, many of the land owners in the lock out think that THEY should be able to sell tags.

For a hunt on public land can understand that lottery system. I a hunter has a peice of private property to hunt I think he should be allowed to hunt it, and not have to hope he gets lucky and draws a tag. I do not favor the lock out method, but I understand what they are fighting for.

As for cheating hunters, it may be how I read you post but it seemed as though you were implying that this is going on and and no it did not strike a nerve. I just felt that I should share my thoughts.

I have no idea on the %75 that you are claiming, I have nothing but personal experance to cause meto disbeleive it is the case here in SD. It very well may be else wheres, here i personaly dont beleive that is so here. The black hills units that are public, have a reputation for producing junk rack deer, much of the public groud is so over hunted that after opeing weekend everything in there has been killed or ran out to less pressured areas. Again this is just speaking from personal experance.

If I offended you I am sorry I was makeing more of a general statment rather then refering to you personaly and I found you post revelent to my thoughs.

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Mule Deer hunting in Special West River

You didnt offend me at all i just wanted to make sure what i ment was clear is all.
I like you am not in favor as for it as a hunter, but as a land owner i feel everyone has the right to do with thier land and such as they want. I personally dont feel the lock out is what it is once one digs below the surface. At anyrate it is what it is and wonder if the lockout for pay hunting is worth the damage of overpopulation causes, i bet if one was to sit down with range managment in mind one would find the few payed hunters one ranch might have doesnt even out crop and range loss from having to many. The up side is, for meat I exsclusivly take does and cows and only harvest 170 class and up bucks in SD so i can get a doe or 3 on many places that pay hunt bucks out.
As for trophy bucks, preseason scouting last year i witnessed the 4th or 5th largest whitetail i have ever seen in person on public land within 25 miles of rapid city. Ill keep what i feild scored him and exactly where, to myself.
Although not in SD, I have seen more 180 class and up mulies taken on PL then not.

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Joined: 09/18/2008
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Lock outs or Not

Do Not Use Lodgepole Creek Outfitters for your South Dakota Hunting needs. He lied to all of us and we have a true law suit pending for breach of contract. Its funny he wrote us a receipt claiming 5 days of hunting + lodging + Food. But because I hate lawsuits and lawyers (death of society) I will not persue the lawsuit.

Good luck to all who intend on hunting there. I did see a huge B & C whitetail, which I froze on and didn't get the shot off. Never seeing a buck that big (160 - 165) I really got buck fever. It was the best, worst fever I ever had.

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Joined: 11/24/2008
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SD Mule Deer Hunt

Sorry to hear that you had such a terrbile experience. Unfortunately there are some disreputable people out there. SD generally has good deer hunting prospects and vast majority of the locals and landowners are good decent people who will allow you to hunt if you present yourself as someone who will respect the land and leave it in the same or better condition in which you found it. You have to understand that they get descended upon during hunting season and some people don't respect their property. Interestingly there are not a lot of outfitters in SD unlike Wyoming or Colorado so I was surprised to hear that you contracted with one. I recommend that if you intend to hunt SD in the future that you get the online SD Fish & Game map guide showing the public and private lands and also go to the Buffalo Gap Grasslands website and get their map this is invaluable for identifying the huntable grasslands sections. Having grown up in NJ I fully understand the dream of a "western style" deer hunt. Not to bum you out but I've attached a picture of my mule deer from SW SD I shot last week to prove that there are some decent mule deer on public lands. So hang in there and try again with a little off season planning you can have a great time in SD.

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Location: Western South Dakota
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Mule Deer hunting in Special West River

I reconize that spot, neener! kinda hard to miss if you live aroud the area.

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