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jaybe---Where in the heck

jaybe---Where in the heck are you coming up with the information you're posting?  Each region has individual units that can vary in season dates and possibly what you're talking about, but never in an entire Region!  I just pulled out the final rule pamphlet for the 2010 deer season and every unit in Region Y was for antlered deer with no point restrictions whatsoever, just like it is again in the 2011 online pamphlet!!!  I also don't remember that Region Y ever had a 3 point restriction, although it's possible, but not likely, that one or two units in that Region did.

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in nevada fish and game dosent count the brow tines when asking how many points are on each side. i dont count them but when i enterd my 4x4 in the pope and young record book the scorer put it in as a 5x5 and i thought he had made a mistake but he said no they count the brow tines, i wasent going to argue it just makes it sound bigger than it is i dont mind. it would be to simple if everyone went by the same method of counting the points, why do somthin that makes sence?

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Unit 136

Topgun - I'm getting this information from the 2010 application book. If you look closely, I think you'll see that unit 163 in Region Y had a 4 point restriction for that year - at least the paper I'm lookin at does.

As I said, I haven't been there before, so I'm taking my buddy's word for the 3 point restriction that existed sometime in the past for that same unit - that's where they always hunt. It's believable for me, because last year (same booklet) there was a 3 point restriction for one or two other units in another Region. Also, if you look at this year's application, Region K, Unit 132 has a 3-point per side restriction. It also has red "Tentative" marked across the entire page, meaning that they reserve the right to change it prior to the opening of the season - which, according to my buddy, they have done in the past.

Sorry for any confusion.

Brokenarrow - that's pretty interesting about the P&Y people counting the brow tines. I agree that it would be nice if everybody would figure points the same way. Confused

 

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Okay, I got out my magnifying

Okay, I got out my magnifying glass and you are correct in that 132 had a 3 point restriction last year showing in the final pamphlet that was issued with our licenses.  The 2011 application booklet that is online shows it will have that restriction again this year.  132 is the only point restriction I can find in the entire 2010 pamphlet or 2011 online application booklet. Unit 163 last year specifically shows in the final pamphlet that it was under the General License and was for an antlered mule deer or any white-tail deer.  Absolutely no point restriction is mentioned!  Normally that kind of stuff will not be changed between the application period and when the licenses are issued because it would cause a lot of problems with people not wanting to hunt there if a restriction was put in place without them knowing it.

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I agree

 Normally that kind of stuff will not be changed between the application period and when the licenses are issued because it would cause a lot of problems with people not wanting to hunt there if a restriction was put in place without them knowing it.

I totally agree with you on that point.  It's hard to imagine that they would do that. However - and I hope you don't think I'm being argumentative about this - I have the hard copy of the 2010 Non-Resident Application form in my hands and it clearly says that in area 163 that it is good for an "Antlered deer 4 points or more on either antler." - same wording as unit 132 does this year - (but 4 instead of 3).

 I don't have the final pamphlet that you speak of, only the application booklet. My buddy didn't go last year because his wife was struggling with complications from lung surgery (cancer). Thankfully, she's doing much better now, and we're planning on going this October.

 Just to follow up on your point about them not changing it - apparently they feel they might do that - why else would they put the large red "TENTATIVE" across the application?  Confused

 

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Brow Tines

In describing mule deer antlers, I most often here and say myself the number of main points and acknowledgement for brow tines if present, as in "Damn, Kenny shot a monster 4 by 5 with 2" eye gaurds on both sides!".  In areas where I've hunted mule deer, brow tines are maybe a 50/50 thing & on mule deer are rarely ever long enough to make much of a difference in overall score by adding length or because of deductions.  They are neat to see but I've never talked to a mule deer hunter that ever passed up on a buck just because it didn't have eye gaurds.

I do chuckle sometimes when I watch a whitetail hunter on some hunting show start to count points to include points off the burr or any point on the main beam that can even remotely hold the weight of a pinky finger ring.  What I'd call an 8 pointer (including brow tines) somehow becomes a 12 or 13 pointer.

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I agree

I like your methodology, and I have heard it like that rather frequently in the hunting circles I talk to. 

I agree with you about hunting shows counting "bumps" as "points".  As far as any Joe-Hunter goes, I figure it is your story, so tell it how you want.  Sometimes, I just think it can get a little ridiculous counting points.  I think the directions from Boone and Crocket are a good reference for deciding if a point counts.

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A point is a point, is a

A point is a point, is a point....

I count them all!!!

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Jaybe---The final 2010

Jaybe---The final 2010 booklet definitely shows no restriction, so it appears they took it off between the applciation period and when the final statute was signed.  I can see where they would take a restriction off like that during the interim when people are applying because it would not mess with anybody, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't do the reverse!!!

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I sure hope you're right; it

I sure hope you're right; it would seem to me like a very poor practice to change the rules after people made application. I have no idea what is involved in the inner workings of the WY G&F, but I suppose there could be several reasons for the initial NR Application form being "tentative".

 At any rate, this year they are simply saying, "Antlered deer". Since you are familiar with WY regs, does that mean any number of points on either side? In MI it means at least 1 anler that is at least 3" from the skull. I looked through the WY rule book and couldn't find any details on exactly what that means.

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