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478 and5/8 is the offical Boone and crockett score for the spider bull out of the utah monroe unit. My first thought is it did not go over 500 like the experts predicted, still the biggest non typical ever being taken off public ground in recorded history. The offical b&c scores also made it a point to let the public know that they have talked to the hunter, the state officals and others, and they say the bull was taken under fair chase conditions. They either do this with every animal or they made this a special case because of all the talk surrounding this bull. They also made it a point to congragulate utah game managment for a job well done (utah has come a long way in trophy elk within the state). my question is what have they sacrificed to gain all these LE units, many regular joe hunters who are of the middle to low income class have been severly hurt by having traditional near home hunting areas shut off and become rich mans hunting lands. And the regular joe only gets maybe once perhaps twice in his lifetime to hunt these units? Not sure how the utah hunters benefit from this, seems people get to hunt much less. Makes for interesting conversation. (sorry for gramatical and spelling errors).

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When I was a young man, First starting to hunt. Back in the 60's. I remember how difficult it was to even get an elk tag so I could think about hunting elk. If you got the tag you couldn't apply for another elk tag for 5 years. If you got the tag and went hunting, you were hunting for just average elk. There were no real tropheys back then. Even when out deer hunting a person rarely saw an elk.

Fast forward 40 years. Yes Utah has changed their management practices. They give 5% of their tags away to sportmans groups that sell them for high dollars to rich hunters. That leaves 95% of the tags going to who ever puts in for the lottery. Those sportsman groups bring that money from the auctions into conservation efforts with out the strings of the state lawmakers dictating how it must be spent. The elk herds have improved dramatically.

Yes it take 12-15 years to draw a Limited Entry Tag for trophey elk. Something I never had the opportunity to hunt for back in the 60's and 70's. But I can buy a elk tag over the counter every year now. Yeah it may be a spike tag for most of the state or an Open Bull tag for some extremely difficult areas to hunt. In fact most years now, I get two elk tags, One for an over the counter spike and one from the lottery for a cow tag. How great is that? I now get to shoot two elk a year, when 30-40 years ago I was lucky to maybe get a tag every 5-7 years to hunt elk with 10% -12% odds of harvesting an elk.

People can complain about how long it takes to draw a Limited Entry Tag in Utah. But when you do draw that tag, you have very high percentages of harvesting an elk and you stand a very good chance of harvesting a real trophey. In the mean time, Elk hunting ( for meat and just being out hunting) is better than its ever been in my lifetime.

In fact we have become spoiled. When I go out and help friends who have drawn a tag to hunt Limited Entry Elk, we turn our noses up at anything smaller than 360-370 class bulls. We know we will see plenty of elk and can pass on 5 & 6 year old bulls that only score 330 or 350. Instead of shooting the only bull we saw for a weekend. we now play with the bulls, calling in 7, 8, 10 bulls before we harvest one. In the old days we'd spot a bull across the canyon and shoot it at 300 yards. Now days we call them in, get to look at them at 15 -20 yards away. Now what is more thrilling?

I've got 14 points and still waiting to draw my LE tag. But I have gone hunting with friends every year for those 14 years. I've helped harvest some amazing bulls every year. And after helping them with their tropheys , I've been able to go back out into the woods and harvest a nice spike or cow for my freezer. I for one, am not complaining about how Utah is managing it elk herds.

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Location: Oak city, Utah
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Im a Utah hunter and i really like the way Utah has run things. I dont mind only drawing out two or three times in my lifetime to have a shot at a 370+ bull. Their is plenty of opportunitys with spike and cow hunts if you just want to kill an elk. I hope Utah keeps it up. Im a little conserned over the recent changes. Spike hunts on all limited entry units should stir things up a bit.

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Right on, I am with you guys. Keep the tags down for an opportunity at a PIG!!! It is nice to be in the company of true trophy hunters. It is all about the opportunity at that big bull of a lifetime!!

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nrspence wrote:
Im a Utah hunter and i really like the way Utah has run things. I dont mind only drawing out two or three times in my lifetime to have a shot at a 370+ bull. Their is plenty of opportunitys with spike and cow hunts if you just want to kill an elk. I hope Utah keeps it up. Im a little conserned over the recent changes. Spike hunts on all limited entry units should stir things up a bit.

I totally agree with you guys i mean it isa bummer when you don't draw out but then when it happens look out because you are in for the hunt of a lifettime I waited 10 years to draw a LE Antelope Tag which finnally happened in 2008 and I tell you what it was well worth the wait.

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very nice hooks on that goat

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Thanks I really enjoyed the hunt and I am very happy with the uniqueness of his horns can't wait to get him back from the Taxidermist.

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the whole spider bull circus is a dissgrace.
Sorry, just the way I feel

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This was only a fair chase hunt because nothing illegal, by Utah law, was done and it was taken on public land..that's the test!!! Now this is what happened...a hunter (please, I prefer shooter) was allowed to use his high powered rifle while other hunters in the area could only use black powder rifles, the hunter employed a very large "team" of professional hunters (MossBack and his boys) to find, bull sit and finally call in the shooter for the kill. I ask you, what chance did this bull really have once Mossback and his hounds got him in their sights. These guys are highly trained, well equiped with the most modern equipment and are full time, 24 hour a day hunters. Spidy didn't stand a chance as the picture of the proud shooter and Mossback and crew encircle his cold carcass for the photo.

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Now this is what happened...a hunter (please, I prefer shooter) was allowed to use his high powered rifle while other hunters in the area could only use black powder rifles.

This bull was shot during the "any legal weapon" season, also known as the rifle hunt. I'm not sure why you're stating the bull was shot with a rifle during muzzleloader season. That simply isn't true and only more internet rumor being passed around.

The hunter hired a guide, many people do that and there is nothing wrong with that. The outfitter certainly threw more people at the bull than normal but again nothing wrong with that. It wasn't the circumstances that I personally would've wanted to be in to take the bull but to each his own.

If there was some sort of wrongdoing that happened I would be the first to discredit the harvest. But it seems to me that many want to discredit this bull and the hunter but I can't for the life of me figure out why.

Congrats the the hunter and I DO believe that Utah has done an awesome job managing the trophy elk and I can't wait to draw my tag. I don't like the idea of spike hunters all over the limited entry units but the explanation makes sense to me. I just hope it pays off and keeps our trophy bull units the way they are today. It's popular to bash governmental regs but I say kudos to Utah for the elk herd we have today. I can still go find branched antlered bulls every year to hunt on the Uintahs when I don't draw.

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I remember reading few years ago about an outfit that offered deer hunting by Internet. You fired the gun by Internet command using cameras and a gun stationed at the business/rancher/hunters food plot/deer field. It was advertised as an alternative hunting method for those with disabilities or other reasons they themselves couldn't go to the field. Thankfully, I remember it was soon thereafter outlawed and recognized for the ridiculous excuse for 'hunting' it was.

In my view, and it's only my view, the paying high dollars for a tag to get a 'trophy' and have a team do all the work for you and then you are called in for the killing shot may not be the same thing but is headed down that same road in my opinion. Not least of all which is also my view can't really be called hunting when others are doing the bulk of the work and all of the odds are stacked in the favor of the guy with deep pockets.

Hunting unless one solely hunts because they love venison is about the challenge of the hunt and overcoming the odds to take a nice trophy that used it's own survival skills to become a fine animal. It takes away from that animals own survival skills when you have a team monitoring it with the latest high tech gadgets and the executioner called in for the kill.

Nothing particularly wrong with UT's management agenda, but I am glad Colorado has high preference points units for those that wish for a chance at true 'trophy'. But, also regular units where you can get what is a trophy for many a nice 5x5 or 6x6 even though it's not a 320 or more class bull. I like that better then one shot at a 340 bull every ten or more years and just being able to hunt spikes.

Well my 2 cents.

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