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it wasnt a job he was asked by the governer to take a nonpaying position on the commision because he is a rancher and an owner of a large ranch.He took it because he was concerned about the direction the F&G has been headed and hoping he could be of some service to the hunters of our state.You sarcasm is growing tiresome...grow up.Cant you just agree to disagree?

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I understand how the FWP commission works, Nonya. Five commissioners covering five different areas, appointed by the governor, staggered four year terms, one has to be experienced with domestic livestock, etc. Currently Workman, Mulligan, Doherty, Brenden, and Colton in district order. If you like I can get addresses and a meeting schedule, but I'm sure you have that already.

I've been on this site for two and a half years and I believe I'm third behind Moderator and Bitmasher in terms of number of posts. You've been here a month and a half. So don't come on this site spouting invective and abuse and tell me I'm tiring.

But I'll make you a deal. I'll tone down my sarcasm if you settle down and stop berating people, referring them to eats***.com, telling them to grow up, etc. You're acting like a California liberal that just bought a house on Flathead Lake. As a 6th generation Montanan you of all people should understand that it's not nice for new folks to show up and start throwing their weight around punching everybody. We've got enough of those types in Montana as it is.

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WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?I am not trying to get into an argument,I voice my opinion and you call me abusive?I will no longer be replying to any of your posts due to your insulting behavior and sarcastic tone,I come here to have civil discusions with adults....

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Fine. Whatever, Nonya. Tankgunner tried to tell you the same thing. Civil discussion doesn't mean telling people to eat s*** , YELLING, accusing them of lecturing, saying they're living in a dream land or telling them to grow up because they say something you don't agree with. And that's just in this thread. It doesn't mean someone is deluded, childish, or an idiot if they disagree with a position, so there's no need to treat them like they are.

You make a number of good points in your posts, but the minute someone disagrees you seem to take it awfully personally. Are you looking for discussion or a bar fight?

Everyone else here is keeping a level head -- you're the one getting bent out of shape.

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NONYA wrote:
they say they dont get any help from the land owners because they think the public should have access to the big ranches and get pissed when ranchers dont allow hunters in an area.

Actually these two biologists are strong advocates of private property rights and laughed when I emailed them the above statement made by you. In fact one stated you were the one in a dreamworld.

I'm sure I will fail here, but I'll try nonetheless.

I do not intend to anger you by adding the statement that the biologist placed you in "a dreamworld". My intention is to show that there are some out there on your side, wishing they could enlist more to their cause to accomplish beneficial change.

When you throw around terms like “they” and included all members of a group (be it politicians, F & G board members, state biologists etc.) you actually mislabel some of those members and make your argument ineffective. It is admitting defeat from the beginning.

I’ll agree some biologists don’t have a clue. I’ll buy that some; heck maybe even most local politicials in your state don’t make good decisions as well. So what? Work with the ones that do and change things for the better.

Most of the local elected officials in Montana are landowners themselves, have long family historys in the state and to some extent are sportsmen. Utilize that and build from it.

Before you dismiss me as some outsider, I am a property owner in Montana. I have a large timber tract near Libby. I have lived in the state. I have family who has lived in the state for generations and continue to live there. While I’m not intimately familiar with the day-to-day situations that occur there, I am not ignorant of them either.

FWIW

Lee

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Im glad I can keep you busy entertaining yourself,if you think i give a sh*t what your biologist friends think you are sadly mistaken.The biologists that influence the F&G policies are 90% of the problem.My family has lived here for several generations and own three cattle ranches,we know the way the system is designed to work and the way it is working,they are not the same.Im sorry if you dont agree with me but that is my opinion.

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ok, i'm not a moderator but i do know that "Using disrespectful, obscene, abusive, hateful, or foul language " is against the forum rules. (link is at the top of the page). and foul language is not typical of a civil discussion.

i also know that if enough people believe something is wrong, and can work together, things can be changed. that doesn't mean hanging out at the local gossip shop and complaining, i mean doing something legal and organized, and it will *eventually* get someones attention. not firing off letters that make you sound like an angry 10 year old, but something that can be taken seriously.

and if all else fails, MOVE.

alicia

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Im glad you all have the awnsers,maybe you should move up here,spend the next 10 years attending F&G commision meetings,putting together petitions,try to draw attention to important matters through letters to the editor,public speaking and privatly funded public forums that draw a very strong local following only to have a biologist from California stand there and tell the F&G we have no idea what we are talking about and recomend changes in the policy that directly effect the hunting we have enjoyed for decades for no other reason that thier pet projects and "wildlife studys" that keep them employed.Then maybe you can share your enthusiasim towards the publics influence here in the state of Montana.That is where I stand after ten years of "being involved" and it is a very popular stance around here.I sorry this situation dosent follow the magical theroy of how it should be but it dosent work that way any more when the publics view and opinion are no longer taked seriously,I wish more than anything it would work that way and maybe some day it will again,right now the decisions made are politically scewed and I dont see any change in the near future.I am also sorry if I offended you by using the word "sh*t",I didnt know that was offensive in the context it was used,nice to see you keeping an eye on us though!Since when is telling some one they sound like a ten year old and if they dont like the way things work to move NOT offensive?For those of you who are discussing the F&G topic with me,not screening my offensive language and sounding like a total hypocrite,thanx for being patient.I understand the public process and I know how well it can work but common sense has taken a back seat in my region and our game numbers and hunting privlidges are paying the price for it.

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What area of Monana do you guy's live in anyway? I lived in Lakeside and Sommer's for several years in the late 60's and early 70's. Preditor problems were no problem. The rule of the day was shoot and shut up.

Now I live in central oregon, 35 mi from the grocery store. The rule of the day is shoot and shut up. When I lived in Alaska in the mid 80's, the rule of the day was shoot and shut up. Is someone changing the rules?

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Lol don around here they call it shoot,shovel,shutup.The biggest problem we have is the lion numbers,and the F&G refusal to increase quotas or even give each area its own quota instead of lumping them together with a combined quota for three or more areas.the biologist that regulates the quotas in our area(region 4) has a thing for lions and "wants to protect peoples viewing opportunitys" by keeping thier numbers up.How often do people see lions when they are just out "viewing wildlife"?LOL The problem is that they have wiped out our local herd of Mntngoats and the muledeer are on thier way out,thier numbers are as low as we have ever seen in this area.My grandpa says he hasnt seen so few deer since the depression..lol I guess we are just trying to remain law abiding and nobody wants to loose thier hunting rights over a poached cat,my entire family has shifted thier deer hunting to areas where there are no cats and the only thing i hunt on our place north of here is bear,they made it a spike only area for elk also to reduce hunter numbers in the area another stroke of genius!

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