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Minimum Elk Cartridge

I was very shocked to see back on the first page of this thread, that somebody wrote a .243 with a 100 grain bullet at 250 yards as being the minimum. Its a proven fact that it takes a minimum 1500 ft./lbs. kinetic energy at the target, to take an elk. A .270 with a 150 grain bullet at 200 yards, barely produces 1500ft./lbs. of kinectic energy. Now, if you have been around elk as much as I have, you probably have developed that same great amount of respect for these magnificant animals, and you know just how hard they are to kill. So a .243 with a 100 grain bullet at 250 yards is not only flat out stupid, in my mind it is a slap in the face to the elk. Now I have seen elk taken with a .243, but these elk were stalked and shot within 25 yards.

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Minimum Elk Cartridge

''A .270 with a 150 grain bullet at 200 yards, barely produces 1500ft./lbs. of kinectic energy.''

That depends on the bullet and the load.

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Well, what I ment by barely is it produces 1587 ft lbs of kinetic energy, at least that is what I have in one of my tables for average factory loaded .270 ammunition with 150grain bullets. The .270 is a great round for elk , and I know a lot of old timers that swear by it. In my opinion Elk cartridges start with the .270 and end with the .375 h&h mag. I guess the most important component in picking the right cartridge for elk is to pick the biggest caliber that you can shoot comfortably.

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Not sure where you got your info from, but most factory ammo out there is in the 1,900 - 2,000 range for energy at 200 yards.

* Here's some 200 yard energy data for the 270 Win with 24" barrel from Winchester's 2005 Catalog - p. 10:

130-gr. Power Point Plus = 1,993
130-gr. Ballistic Silvertip CT = 1,978
140-gr. AccuBond CT = 2,038
140-gr. Fail Safe = 1,843
150-gr. Power Point Plus = 1,959
150-gr. Partition Gold CT = 2,030

* From Federal's 2005 Catalog - p. 8, 270 Win 200 yard energy figures with 24" barrel:

130-gr. Sierra Game King BTSP = 1,980
130-gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip = 1,990
130-gr. Barnes Triple Shock X-Bullet = 1,980
130-gr. Nosler Partition = 1,965
130-gr. Nosler Solid Base = 1,955
140-gr. Nosler AccuBond = 2,060
140-gr. Trophy Bonded Bear Claw = 1,905
140-gr. High Energy Trophy Bonded Bear Claw = 2,145
150-gr. Sierra Game King BTSP = 2,040
150-gr. Nosler Partition = 2,020

* From Remington's 2005 Catalog p. 79 - 80, 270 Win 200 yard energy figures with 24" barrel:

130-gr. AccuTip Boat Tail = 2,009
130-gr. Swift Scirocco Bonded = 1,991
130-gr. Core Lokt Pointed Soft Point = 1,818
130-gr. Bronze Point = 1,890
140-gr. Core Lokt Bonded = 1,826
140-gr. Swift A-Frame Pointed Soft Point = 1,782
150-gr. Core Lokt Soft Point Round Nose = 1,587

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Hunt4Elk85:

Was your 1,587 ft. lbs of energy figure from Remington's 2005 Catalog ; I.E. 150-gr. Core Lokt Soft Point Round Nose = 1,587 at 200 yards?

If so, the round nosed Core Lokt is a good short range projectile, but it loses velocity in a hurry with its' low BC of only .261. Many of the loads in my above post have BC's in the high 400's to 500 and this is why they have a lot more retained downrange energy at 200 yards.

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