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Mexico Whitetails? What sub-species?

A couple years ago I wet to centeral mexico (Nayarit) with some employees of mine that are migerant workers. They invited me to come home with them over the winter to do some hunting and vacationing (rural mexico style).

It was a great time. I was able to harvest multiple whitetail, Javelina, Chilachaca (big bird), bobcat and coitti.

The whitetail down there were very small...a large buck was maybe 100 lbs on the hoof..maybe. A doe more like 60 lbs. I was wondering what sub-species of whitetail they are? Everyone wants to tell me they were Couse deer, and maybe they were but I don't think so. People don't realize how far down in mexico I was, and it was more of a semi-dry rain forest than typical Couse deer scrub. Also the antlers were not a compact as Couse deer I have seen elsewhere and the body size was far smaller than Couse deer in Arizona. They were perfect miniature whitetails like I have here in WA.

I read in Jack O'Conner's book about what he caller "Sinaloan Whitetail" in mexico and Sinaloa is the next state over so I figure that must be them.

Just curious if anyone could lay this question to rest for me? Thanks

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photos

Do you have photos you could post? So we can see how they compare to Coues deer. 

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I'll see if I can dig them

I'll see if I can dig them out of a box. Maybe they are couse deer. They just seem like they have different antlers and they are small. I literaly think you could take a normal vitals shot with a 22 mag and it would kill them like a 243 on mule deer. I'll check around for the photos

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I replied in the "Rest of the

I replied in the "Rest of the World" section, but I'll throw it up here.

This is a site I found while looking for the same thing a couple of years ago.

http://www.whitetailsunlimited.com/i/p/bk_distribution.pdf

It looks like it's coues deer in one part spreading down from Mexico, and then it's some of the Texas strain spreading down fromt here.

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After looking at the

After looking at the whitetail unlimited thing it looks like they must be couse deer down there in Mexico. They just seem quite a bit smaller, which I guess isn't that unusual as you get farther south. The fact that their antlers looked different could have been due to the fact that I only saw a few bucks and they were young deer that maybe just had spindley horns.

Thanks for the link

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Actually, with the exception

Actually, with the exception of maybe the keys deer in florida, the coues deer is the smallest in the country.  I wouldn't put a large buck much past 120 lbs....

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i grew up in ohio where eve

i grew up in ohio where eve yearling whitetails were 110-120 pounds, and have seen several bucks and does at around 300 pounds. however, just across the river, on the west virginia side, the deer look like german-shepards at 60-90 pounds. i can't tell you why other than a combination of managment, diet and lack of predators.

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What part of Ohio were you

What part of Ohio were you in? 

I went to college for 4 years in Marietta, right on the W.Va. border near Parkersburg.  We used to go driving over there to look for deer. 

We'd always see tons, and they were as small as dogs.... lol

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I've seen those key deer in

I've seen those key deer in florida. saw a couple decent bucks very close. what a cool little deer! like the size of a collie dog.

 

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I've never seen the key deer

I've never seen the key deer before until a search after this post. Can't get much smaller than that that's for sure.

Coues deer are on my must do list in the future. Now that I've finally taken a whitetail buck I've gotten an urge to take as many different deer as I can. The coues deer in Arizona, sitka blacktail in Alaska and a columbian blacktail in one of the states that has them for sure.

It will take me awhile as I'm going after whitetail again this year but will begin to make plans for the others after that.

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