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SoCo, have you ever been to Wasilla? I have, and have friends that live there. Maybe you think cities can't grow if they're small -- I honestly don't know where you're coming from when you say that it can't be growing because it has 9,000 people. Is that more snobbery toward small towns I hear from the gentleman on the left?

Wasilla growing largely due to its proximity to Anchorage, which is somewhat limited by its geography. Wasilla also has a business base that serves an outlying area and is therefore busier than what the population numbers suggest. 9,000 people is downright metropolitan up here. Have you ever been out to the villages? How many people do you know that don't have indoor plumbing?

My friend, you know little of Alaska. Yes, there are other island communities that thrive without bridges. Many of them in Alaska are as good as islands because they're off the road system. Barrow, for example, has about 5,000 people , is 500 miles north of Fairbanks, and only gets one barge shipment per year because of sea ice. There's only one thing paved in town -- the airport runway. But it can get to its runway. Ketchikan can't.

I have nothing against small towns at all buddy, I'm pretty small town myself. What I was referring to is you trying your best to inflate the idea that all those earmarks were needed for the huge metropolis of Wasilla and it's 9,000 people!

If the road to NOWHERE was as vital as you'd like us to believe you'd think it would have gotten built. Seems them folks are still surviving without it.

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I'll say it again -- the controversy over the bridge was due to cost/benefit analysis of the cost of a bridge vs the ferry. Do you think it was easy for Palin to spike the project in a state like this? Remember that Juneau, like many other Alaska towns, is off the road system. It took guts for her to say no to Ketchikan. Nevertheless, don't forget she said Alaska would take care of it.

Here's a great Wall Street Journal article that captures some of what she's done up here in terms of confronting oil companies and insider politics. People up here get a real belly laugh when someone from the Lower 48 claims she's in with the oil companies.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122057381593001741.html?mod=djemEditoria...

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The non partisan fact check dot org where members of both parties go for unbiased facts on disputed subjects is probably a good resource.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin_part_ii.html

A Bridge Too Far

Palin claimed to have stood up to Congress on the subject of the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere,” the Gravina Island bridge in Ketchikan, Alaska, about which we wrote last November.

Palin: I told the Congress, "Thanks, but no thanks," on that bridge to nowhere.

This is not the first time Palin has cited her choice to kill the bridge in 2007 as an example of her anti-waste stance. It’s true that she did eventually nix the project. But the bridge was nearly dead already – Congress had removed the earmark, giving the requested money to the state but not marking it for any specific use. Palin unplugged its life support, declaring in 2007 that the funds would not be used for the Gravina bridge.

When she was running for governor, however, Palin expressed a different position. In 2006, the Ketchikan Daily News quoted her expressing optimism and support for the bridge at a Ketchikan campaign stop.

Palin, 2006: "People across the nation struggle with the idea of building a bridge because they’ve been under these misperceptions about the bridge and the purpose,” said Palin, who described the link as the Ketchikan area’s potential for expansion and growth. … Palin said Alaska’s congressional delegation worked hard to obtain funding for the bridge as part of a package deal and that she “would not stand in the way of the progress toward that bridge.”

Palin also answered "yes" to an Anchorage Daily News poll question about whether she would continue to support state funding for the Gravina Island bridge if elected governor. "The window is now," she wrote, "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." It was only after she won the governorship that Palin shifted her position. And even then, it’s inaccurate to say that she “told the Congress ‘thanks, but no thanks.’” Palin accepted non-earmarked money from Congress that could have been used for the bridge if she so desired. That she opted to use it for other state transportation purposes doesn’t qualify as standing up to Congress.

The bridge reversal is not the only matter throwing doubt on Palin’s credentials as a government waste reformer. Watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense has reported that the small town of Wasilla, Alaska, which had not previously received significant federal funds, hauled in almost $27 million in earmarks while Palin was mayor. (McCain has explicitly criticized several of the Wasilla earmarks in recent years.) To help obtain these earmarks, Palin had hired Steven Silver, the former chief of staff for recently indicted Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, as Wasilla’s lobbyist.

And Palin continued to solicit federal funds as governor. A request form on Stevens’ Web site shows that she requested $160.5 million in earmarks for the state in 2008, and almost $198 million for 2009.

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Many public officials solicit funds or "pork" for thier various constituencies, it's the system we have. Where it gets sticky is when you claim not to be one of these porkers, but in reality you are. Pushing the truthiness envelope one might call it.

Fact check has a good rundown on the speaches at both conventions if anyone has an interest in reading.

What bothers me about a lot of pork is that it is a gift to various interests who hardly need welfare. Large construction companies, defense contracters, etc. But when someone wants money for special needs kids or unwed mothers, it's time to slash spending.

There was another theme in Ms Palin's speach that was an outright lie. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she believed the people writing her speach, but at some point you have to assume responsiblity for what you say. Obama has authored hundreds of bills as a state senator and as a US senator. Many of them to do with ethics reform and health care.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin_part_ii.html

Palin disparaged Obama’s legislative record, both in Illinois and in Washington:

Palin: But listening to him speak, it’s easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or even a reform, not even in the state Senate.

Of course, we can’t say what Palin considers “major.” But if Palin’s own ethics reforms in Alaska were important enough to highlight in her convention address, then it’s only fair to credit Obama’s efforts on that topic. In 1998 in the Illinois Senate, Obama cosponsored an ethics overhaul that bars elected officials from using their campaign funds for personal use and and was called the the first major overhaul of Illinois campaign and ethics laws in 25 years. It also bans fundraisers in the state Capitol during legislative sessions. Obama’s Republican cosponsor Kirk Dillard even appeared in an Obama ad last summer describing Obama’s skills working with members of both parties to get legislation passed.

In Washington, Obama was instrumental in helping to craft the 2007 ethics reform law that ended gifts and meals from lobbyists, cut off subsidized jet travel for members of Congress, required lobbyists to disclose contributions they “bundle” to candidates, and put the brakes on other, similar common practices.

In addition, we already noted in a recent article Obama’s efforts with Republican senators to help detect and secure weapons of mass destruction and to destroy conventional weapons stockpiles around the world, and to create a publicly searchable database on federal spending.

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And how many governors DON'T request federal funds for their states? It's interesting that people are trying to paint Palin as saying she would never take a dime from the federal government. That's ridiculous, and she has never made such a claim.

What she has said is that she's against special interests, corruption, and behind the scenes deals. Read the WSJ article and you'll see where she's coming from.

What does she not like? Things like Obama's wife getting a big raise (over $160K) at the hospital she worked when he got elected to to the Senate -- and his subsequent request for a $1 million earmark to benefit the hospital. Palin's husband, on the other hand, quit his job at BP when she was elected governor.

You can't pick up one end of a stick without picking up the other -- if they want to go after Palin, certain things about Obama become fair game.

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You can't pick up one end of a stick without picking up the other -- if they want to go after Palin, certain things about Obama become fair game.

Oh yes you can, If you plan to stick the other end into the mud, that is.

Perhaps if those 9000 folks would declare themselves "inner city dwellers" then the flood gates of tax money would flow like water over a New Orleans Levy. They could then make TV spots showing themselves teaching 12 year olds how to put a condom on and then show them killing babies...I mean fetuses' when the condom failed or they "just forgot to put it on". That would certainly insure several bridges being built. Shame on You!

One more note.....Canadians are Americans also.

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I'm sorry the article isn't. It's an editorial. The Wall Street Journal is according to Wikipedia,

"Since the 1990s, the editorial page of the Journal has been criticised repeatedly for inaccuracy and dishonesty, including a summary in 1995 by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting[1], and in 1996 by the Columbia Journalism Review"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Journal#News_and_opinion

Translation. Liars.

Serioiusly learn to discriminate between fact based critical thinking and propaganda. At one time I lived in China and used to read the Peoples Daily as it was the only thing widely available in English. The whole read was a study in reading between the lines and interpreting spin. Same folks, different country.

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Let me get this straight -- you just stated that Wikipedia is a more credible source of information than the Wall Street Journal? That is without a doubt the most ridiculous statement I've seen on this website in months. Thanks...I needed the laugh. Laugh

Once again, the left's tired old methods come through. You know you've drawn blood when they 1) apply labels and pigeonhole you personally; 2) discount information as "lies" so they don't have to answer it; or 3) claim the point is hysterically offensive or unfair.

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"you just stated that Wikipedia is a more credible source of information than the Wall Street Journal?"

No but it probably is. What I said is that the WSJ editorial page is no longer a crdedible source of opinion as evidenced by the report by the Columbia Jouralism Review. The most respected journalism school in the US.

Also that folks need to be able to tell the difference between a news article and an opinion piece.

The polite way to say lies is untruth. I'm not polite. Obama just laughs and says "they can't just make stuff up"

The WSJ is owned by Murdoch, Before he bought the paper they had a rep as conservative but truthfull, now they are just conservative. I'll start a new thread about an op ed by one of thier previous editors that just came out today but for now take a look at this piece in the WSJ today, a story of small town ineptitude. The actual paper is much better than the opinion page. It's about your favorite Alaskan.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122065537792905483.html

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OK -- so if a left-leaning academic institution criticizes something, it's automatically discredited?

Also, facts don't stop becoming facts when they're referenced in an editorial. Palin's history is a matter of public record. Those facts weren't made up, and you can't discredit them simply because they appeared on the editorial page.

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