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Grasping at straws - criticizing Palin for not writing her own speech.

News Flash - Obama has a speech writer and doesn't write all his own speeches either.

Grasping at straws huh? Well, my friend, nothing I saw over the course of the RNC leads my confidence to be shaken regarding Obama and Biden. I concur everyone has a speechwriter and that is common knowledge. The difference is we have a good idea of everyones positions/personality due to them running the past two years. With her you get a relative unknown thrown in the mix pretty fast, get a speechwriter to throw together a good combo of Mccain's so great because he was a POW and insults at Obama and presto magico you've got the base on fire. I still don't think it's gonna be enough to get the majority of the country behind them.

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It is grasping at straws when your biggest criticism of her speech is that she didn't write it herself. And for the record, it has not been reported if she wrote it, contributed to it or didn't write any of it.

Regardless, it is a very shallow criticism considering Obama didn't write all his speech. either. Why wasn't that brought up by the media or you? Why is it a fair criticism of her, but not other politicians?

BTW, I am still waiting for your proof that she is against sex education.

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I said it from the beginning -- underestimating Sarah Palin is a big mistake. Go ahead...keep demeaning her. It reveals who you are.

The Dems are desparate -- saying Obama has executive experience because he's running a campaign? Criticizing Palin for using a speech writer?

I started reading Gloria Steinhem's article, but lost it when I got to the point where she said Palin won the governorship because her opponent was unpopular. Not a clue -- absolutely no clue whatsoever.

What I saw last night was what the Republican party has been looking for -- a new Ronald Reagan. Somebody who won't back down from a fight, will call things what they are, and will shred opponents with charm and grace. America saw what Alaska has been seeing for two years -- which is why she's had an 80 percent approval rating in the state.

Contrast her with the Obama cult's constant pessimism about America, and you can see why they're worried.

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I said it from the beginning -- underestimating Sarah Palin is a big mistake. Go ahead...keep demeaning her. It reveals who you are.

The Dems are desparate -- saying Obama has executive experience because he's running a campaign? Criticizing Palin for using a speech writer?

I started reading Gloria Steinhem's article, but lost it when I got to the point where she said Palin won the governorship because her opponent was unpopular. Not a clue -- absolutely no clue whatsoever.

What I saw last night was what the Republican party has been looking for -- a new Ronald Reagan. Somebody who won't back down from a fight, will call things what they are, and will shred opponents with charm and grace. America saw what Alaska has been seeing for two years -- which is why she's had an 80 percent approval rating in the state.

Contrast her with the Obama cult's constant pessimism about America, and you can see why they're worried.

What I saw last night was someone who delivered a speech quite well, a speech that was short on substance, but filled with platitudes. Just the thing that would be appealing to someone of your mindset.

What did she say regarding our current economy? Why are they saying nothing, nada, zero, in regard to Bush. Why the distance? What did she say about affordable health care for Americans?

She praised herself regarding being the one who stopped the bridge to nowhere yet she supported the nowhere bridge until it was apparent it was going nowhere with support. Then she flip flopped and now takes credit for stopping it.

She hurled insults about Obama wanting to meet with Iran, but didn't Bush recently propose this very thing???

What about this in regard to special needs children?

"SARAH PALIN SLASHED SPECIAL NEEDS EDUCATION BY 62%

Gov. Sarah Palin, it is worth noting, oversees the budget for the Department of
Education and Early Development Special Schools in Alaska.

These funds provide supplementary educational services to students
with severe disabling conditions and the Alaska Challenge Youth
Academy. The resident school where the child would normally be placed
does not have the resources to provide an adequate educational
program. Without the supplementary services the child's needs would
not be met by the local school district in most cases.
The following programs are included within this component:
Special Education Service Agency (SESA)

The Annual budget for 2007, which preceded Gov. Palin was $8,265,300.

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/07_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf

The Annual budget for 2008, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf

The Annual budget for 2009, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf

This is a cut in special needs services to children in Alaska of
5,109,300 , or 62%.

Did 62% of all of the special needs children in Alaska stop having
needs once Gov. Palin took office?
If you ask me, a 62% cut in these funds, which we all know are so
desperately scarce, and for which we all have to fight tooth and nail
for our children, is a disgrace."

Yup, I saw red meat being thrown to a repub base that was short on substance and in some cases truth. But, we did hear a lot about Mccain and being a POW. Is that now the only qualification for being CIC?

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The following from Josh Silver sums up my view on their strategy. Again very appealing to people who already think like this (the base) but lacking in winning over others IMO.

Palin & GOP Attack Media: A Look at The Playbook

Wednesday night's Republican convention was another page out of the GOP/Karl Rove playbook that has brought them victory for decades. Here's an excerpt:

1) Don't talk about your party's disastrous policies and the results: our failing economy, declining national security and domestic infrastructure. Instead, focus on the "toughness" and "character" of your nominee, and the heartwarming personal story of your VP. Be sure to include lots of visuals of your families, especially cute kids.

2) Present yourself as outsiders who are running to clean up Washington and get rid of corruption. Don't ever mention that the unprecedented level of corruption and corporate profiteering has actually been brought by your own party, whose leaders' policies you are embracing.

3) Attack your opponent for his strengths: his charisma, his community service, and his opposition to the unpopular and failed war.

4) Above all, attack the media for questioning your VP's qualifications, and for pointing out your myriad contradictions, omissions and lies.

The last point is the key. It is hard to say who is receiving more criticism and vitriol from the McCain campaign: Barack Obama or the media. In the absence of a legitimate argument, and in the presence of half-truths and outright lies, McCain operatives are fiercely attacking news outlets that ask tough questions and dig up the truth.

During Wednesday night's speeches, Mike Huckabee blasted the "elite media". Sarah Palin said to thunderous applause, "I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone."

Here's the problem: by vetting Palin's record and experience, and asking tough questions, the media are finally doing their job. And it has nothing to do with Palin's standing with the "Washington elite" (though the cozy relationship between media, government and corporate elite is a legitimate-but-separate issue).

This week, CNN's Campbell Brown grilled McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds on Palin's clear lack of foreign policy experience. It was exhibit A of the kind of tough journalism that Americans crave, and democracy requires. Team McCain's response? Cancel a planned interview on Larry King, claiming that Brown was unfairly hard on Bounds. This highly effective strategy, in the words of Leonard Downie Jr., the executive editor of The Washington Post, is designed "to put boundaries on the press's pursuit of the Palin story."

The real question is whether the media will step up and defend their right to practice real journalism, and whether the Obama campaign will learn from the failures of Al Gore and John Kerry, and defend itself as ferociously as it is being attacked.

If history is any guide, the media will quietly ignore the GOP's attacks, while softening their critique and questioning of Team McCain. NBC political director Chuck Todd led things off, weighing in shortly after Palin's speech: "Conservatives have found their Obama." As usual, Fox did their part, with Brit Hume opining, "You see tonight that Sarah Palin has served the cause of uniting this convention quite ably." Fortune's Nina Easton called it a "home run," and Weekly Standard Executive Editor Fred Barnes said, "It's a gift. She's a natural. You can't teach this."

The press corps would do well to remind themselves of George Orwell's timeless words: "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." Fortunately, there are some winning examples of press holding Palin accountable already. Here's a quick list:

AP's Jim Kuhnhenn's superb analysis of Palin's speech.

Will Bunch, Philadelphia Inquirer.

Columbia Journalism Review debunks Palin's environmental record.

Politico's sarcastic and spot-on apology for asking the tough questions.

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You wrote that "The Annual budget for 2007, which preceded Gov. Palin was $8,265,300" While this may be true, the actual expenditures for FY 07 were only 3.173 million.

Why would anyone provide more funding than a program needs?

Reducing funding does not mean that services were cut. Without all the facts you don't know if the number of students needing services decreased or some of the original funds were spent on one time expenses.

Hey, how we coming with backing up your statement that she is against sex education?

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You wrote that "The Annual budget for 2007, which preceded Gov. Palin was $8,265,300" While this may be true, the actual expenditures for FY 07 were only 3.173 million.

Why would anyone provide more funding than a program needs?

Reducing funding does not mean that services were cut. Without all the facts you don't know if the number of students needing services decreased or some of the original funds were spent on one time expenses.

Hey, how we coming with backing up your statement that she is against sex education?

Here is one article and it's link:

Bristol's plight ignites sex education debate
Ian Munro, New York
September 5, 2008
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ONE in three American girls becomes pregnant before the age of 20, which gives Republican strategists hope that the electorate will shrug off the news that vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin's daughter is expecting.

Educators are hoping, however, that the discussion about 17-year-old Bristol Palin's pregnancy will renew scrutiny of government-backed abstinence-until-marriage sex education programs.

"The US is so puritanical and does not want to talk about sex. Over the past eight to 10 years we have had the abstinence movement take over sex education," said Stephen Conley, executive director of the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counsellors and Therapists. Several studies had found the programs to be ineffective, he said.

"The states have realised this is not a public health approach and 25 states have withdrawn."

Despite their apparent normality, teenage pregnancies are a recurring controversy. Last year, singer Britney Spears' younger sister, Jamie Lynn, then 16, was revealed to be expecting.

Governor Palin opposes any school-based sex education that does not adopt the abstinence approach. She also opposes abortion in all circumstances except where the mother's life is in danger. (The Republican platform does not allow for exceptions in the cases of rape, incest or even to save the mother's life.)

Republican conservatives have applauded Bristol Palin for opting to have her baby.

But sexuality educator Logan Levkoff told cable network MTV that her decision should not be lauded. "We shouldn't hold this girl up on a pedestal because of the mistake she made and then the decision she made afterwards," Dr Levkoff said. "Teen pregnancy isn't a good thing."

Mr Conley said the US had the highest teenage pregnancy rate in the developed world, but the public exposure of Bristol Palin was unfair.

Legislation overseeing the abstinence programs prevented discussion of contraception except in the context of failure rates, he said.

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Here is another: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-73417

In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire , Palin gave this response to the following question: "Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?" Palin: "Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support."

Palin supports abstinence-only for all education programs. Now, because Palin's own un-wed teen daughter is pregnant, it understandably brings a lot of attention to the effectiveness of the "abstinence-until-marriage" education policy that Palin supports. I believe her daughter's pregnancy is a personal issue, and no one should be passing judgement on her daughter. Anyone can use poor judgement, and thousands of young people do. I am not judging Palin's daughter, it's none of my business. But as a voter I am contemplating and discussing with my peers the impact this news has on my opinion of the effectiveness of Mrs. Palin's policies.

The ongoing debate this issue highlights is the funding of public school's sex-education programs that go beyond saying "don't do it until you're married". Even though I believe it should be a parent's responsibility to teach their children about sex issues like pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases, some parents do not - or they really try to teach them but can't get through to them. Maybe the parents are not comfortable with the subject, or not very close with their teens, or their teens are rebelling and don't listen to them anyway. For this reason I believe funding of sex-ed programs is very important! The issues of teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease are very real! Professional, qualified sex-ed teachers can sometimes get through to teens in a more effective way than their parents can (duh!). The availability of sex-education outside the home is important, and exclusively teaching abstinence-only is as archaic as it is irresponsible. In addition, Social Conservatives know darn good and well that if a sex-education program is offered in a public educational facility, every parent must sign a consent form. It's simple, if you choose to "home school" your version of sex-ed to your children you don't sign the form. No one is forcing parents to send their children to the school's sex-ed class.

Thousands of young people, plainly even those who were taught "abstinence-until-marriage", go against their parent's advice and have sex anyway.

I am 100% supportive of teaching "abstinence-is-best" - that's great. But if your teen is sexually active, or could even possibly become sexually active (most of the time involved parents know their children well enough to determine this) it is your responsibility as a parent to make sure your child has the best education available on the subject of preventing STDs and pregnancy. You do it to keep them safe. You do it because you love your daughters and sons and you will do whatever it takes to protect them.

To Mrs. Palin: In this area it would seem as though you really practice what you preach, but your sermon missed your most important audience.

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Both of your articles show she supports sex education. True, she doesn't support explicit sex education, but she supports sex education.

Here is a quote from your article...."renew scrutiny of government-backed abstinence-until-marriage sex education programs."

Now you may take exception with the teachings of the government sex education program, but to say that she does not support sex education is simply not true.

BTW, thoughts on my view of the budget numbers you provided? Did I miss something?

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Both of your articles show she supports sex education. True, she doesn't support explicit sex education, but she supports sex education.

Here is a quote from your article...."renew scrutiny of government-backed abstinence-until-marriage sex education programs."

Now you may take exception with the teachings of the government sex education program, but to say that she does not support sex education is simply not true.

BTW, thoughts on my view of the budget numbers you provided? Did I miss something?

Well, we'll have to disagree then.

This "In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire , Palin gave this response to the following question: "Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?" Palin: "Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support."

Palin supports abstinence-only for all education programs."

Seems pretty clear to me. If you can't be explicit what are your gonna teach? Don't hold hands?

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