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those polls are also prior to mccain announcing his vp choice. I think it was brilliant, I saw almost nothing as far as news coverage after obamas speech due to everyone waiting for Mccain, it worked out great. I was on vacation this weekend and every restraunt I went into people were talking about mccain, and I didnt hear a single person talk about voting dem now. A few people said they were on the fence but now they were voting republican now. And now with Palin running even my wife is interested in politics, which is saying quite a bit, but Palin does have an appeal to women, she is strong willed, intellegant, a home maker and very sucessful. And like soco said she has that underlying sex appeal.

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It's sad to see people spinning so wildly trying to figure out how to bash Palin. One of the things that's particularly disappointing is all the talk about sex appeal. Sure, there are a lot of bumper stickers up here that say, "Coldest state; hottest governor." But this is a woman of substance. Vogue tracked her down to put on their cover, and she later said she was frustrated dealing with them during the interview because she wanted to talk about her policies, political achievements, and challenges as a female governor, and all Vogue wanted to talk about was her fashion choices.

The best the media and the Dems will be able to do is completely ignore her, because any of their standard tactics will only backfire and look mean spirited.

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It's sad to see people spinning so wildly trying to figure out how to bash Palin. One of the things that's particularly disappointing is all the talk about sex appeal. Sure, there are a lot of bumper stickers up here that say, "Coldest state; hottest governor." But this is a woman of substance. Vogue tracked her down to put on their cover, and she later said she was frustrated dealing with them during the interview because she wanted to talk about her policies, political achievements, and challenges as a female governor, and all Vogue wanted to talk about was her fashion choices.

The best the media and the Dems will be able to do is completely ignore her, because any of their standard tactics will only backfire and look mean spirited.

Let's cut this down to the simplest level. She is a hardcore right winger so, it's no surprise she will appeal to anyone such as yourself who has a hardcore right wing ideology regarding all the usual suspects i.e. abortion, NRA, taxes, religion. There is nothing wrong with that and very understandable. For anyone who isn't a right winger they would be opposed to her whether man or woman hot or not.

The second aspect as I pointed out earlier is the strategy being employed by Mccain. I do believe he would have liked to go with Romney due to his economic experience and agenda. Had he done this it would have appealed to the economic conservatives, but turned off the evangelicals big time and he might have lost some votes there since they didn't actually warm up to him in the first place.

Then due to the impact (c'mon it was a pretty powerful convention) of the DNC, I do believe Mccain felt he was going to have to shore up the base and do something big and risky that might pay off big. I do believe he has shored up some of the evangelicals, but not gotten any substantial disaffected Hillary women at all which I believe was part of the gamble.

As admirable as this women may be to conservatives going from city council to the mayor of an 8,000 pop. town to Gov. of relatively sparse populated Alaska isn't who I would feel comfortable possibly becoming Commander In Chief. As smart as she appears to be her lack of experience will show, I believe in the debates and I don't think she will fair well.

Also, doesn't she have a seventeen year old who is pregnant while she was a big promoter of abstinence. Even thought evangelicals will swoon over that as proof of how divine the family is for not having an abortion, I think it shows the failure of her pushing the abstinence agenda. She should have told her girl and the boyfriend to use condoms. Some sites have shown quotes from the teen father to be myspace page. Some of the quotes are "I'm proud to a F!@#!$g RedNeck," "currently dating and don't want no children," too late for that, and others.

In the end, think this will be very reminiscent of Mondale/Ferraro for Mccain/Palin.

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Here's an article on her church and pastor. Some will love it and others may not, but for me this is the kind of thinking that should be far far away from the White House. Believing you might go to hell for not voting for Bush or praying to a divine being for any political reason seems very similar to me of the outlandish thinking of other religious extremists. Almost a milder Taliban like way of thinking. Also, do you want a persons finger on the button who believes in an Apocalyptic world view?

Nico Pitney and Sam Stein

Palin's Church May Have Shaped Controversial Worldview
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September 2, 2008 12:17 PM

Three months before she was thrust into the national political spotlight, Gov. Sarah Palin was asked to handle a much smaller task: addressing the graduating class of commission students at her one-time church, Wasilla Assembly of God.

Her speech in June provides as much insight into her policy leanings as anything uncovered since she was asked to be John McCain's running mate.

Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin's foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

Video of Kalnins and Palin from June 8, 2008 (via wasillaag.net):

Palin's address, much of which was spent reflecting on the work of the church in which she grew up and was baptized, underscores the notion that her world view is deeply impacted by religion. In turn, her remarks raise important questions: mainly, what is Palin's faith and how exactly has it influenced her policies?

A review of recorded sermons by Ed Kalnins, the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God since 1999, offers a provocative and, for some, eyebrow-raising sketch of Palin's longtime spiritual home.

The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

It is impossible to determine how much Wasilla Assembly of God has shaped Palin's thinking. She was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation. In 2002, Palin moved her family to a nondenominational church, but she continues to worship at a related Assembly of God church in Juneau.

Moreover, she "has maintained a friendship with Wasilla Assembly of God and has attended various conferences and special meetings here," Kalnins' office said in a statement. "As for her personal beliefs," the statement added, "Governor Palin is well able to speak for herself on those issues."

Clearly, however, Palin views the church as the source of an important, if sometimes politically explosive, message. "Having grown up here, and having little kids grow up here also, this is such a special, special place," she told the congregation in June. "What comes from this church I think has great destiny."

And if the political storm over Barack Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright is any indication, Palin may face some political fallout over the more controversial teachings of Wasilla Assembly of God.

If the church had a political alignment, it would almost surely be conservative. In his sermons, Kalnins did not hide his affections for certain national politicians.

During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's performance during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle message about his personal candidate preferences. "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry." Kalnins added: "If every Christian will vote righteously, it would be a landslide every time."

Months after hinting at possible damnation for Kerry supporters, Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you."

Much of his support for the current administration has come in the realm of foreign affairs. Kalnins has preached that the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq were part of a "world war" over the Christian faith, one in which Jesus Christ had called upon believers to be willing to sacrifice their lives.

What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war.
As for his former congregant and current vice presidential candidate, Kalnins has asserted that Palin's election as governor was the result of a "prophetic call" by another pastor at the church who prayed for her victory. "[He made] a prophetic declaration and then unfolds the kingdom of God, you know."

Even Palin expressed surprise at that pastor's advocacy for her candidacy. "He was praying over me," she said in June. "He's praying, 'Lord make a way, Lord make a way...' And I'm thinking, this guy's really bold, he doesn't even know what I'm gonna do, he doesn't know what my plans are, and he's praying not, 'Oh Lord, if it be your will may she become governor,' or whatever. No, he just prayed for it. He said, 'Lord, make a way, and let her do this next step.' And that's exactly what happened. So, again, very very powerful coming from this church."

In his sermons, Pastor Kalnins has also expressed beliefs that, while not directly political, lie outside of mainstream Christian thought.

He preaches repeatedly about the "end times" or "last days," an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, "I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them."

He also claims to have received direct "words of knowledge" from God, providing him information about past events in other people's lives. During one sermon, he described being paired with a complete stranger during a golf outing. "I said, I'm a minister from Alaska and I want you to know that your wife left you -- you know that your wife left you and that the Lord is gonna defend you in a very short time, and it wasn't your fault. And the man drops his clubs, he literally was about to tee off and he dropped his clubs, and he says, 'Who the blank are you?' And I says, 'well, I'm a minister.' He says, 'how do you know about my life? What do you know?' And I started giving him more of the word of knowledge to his life and he was freaked out."

Kalnins has, of course, preached on a bevy of topics ranging from humility to "overcoming bitterness." But the more controversial remarks reported above were not out of the norm, appearing in numerous sermons spanning the four years of available recordings.

As for Palin, her views on these topics is more opaque. In the wake of the controversy over Jeremiah Wright, a debate has raged about whether political figures should be held responsible for the comments of their religious guiders. Clearly, however, Kalnins, like many national conservative religious leaders, sees Alaska's governor as one of his own. "Gov. Sarah Palin is the real deal," he told his church this past summer. "You know, some people put on a show...but she's the real deal."

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those polls are also prior to mccain announcing his vp choice.

There are a whole bunch of new polls out today, and I would say they reflect the VP selection, the lead has doubled in a day. I think that the VP choice has determined the outcome of the election. It's not over yet, but it aint lookin pretty.

In my reading over the weekend I tried to figure out who and what the timeline was. As best I can figure out (and bear in mind everyone is trying to point fingers in oppositte directions to pin the blame) early last week the Council for National Policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_for_National_Policy met in Minnisota. They made a deal with McCain, Sarah Palin for their endorsement, which they had so far withheld. They got the candidate they wanted, McCain got considerable finances and lots of foot soldiers on the ground. McCain desperatly needed actual people organised on the ground for the get out the vote effort (GOV as it's known in political parlance).

McCain had wanted Lieberman. Boring sure loser in my book, but they are freinds and it would have brought in some middle of the roaders. Rove wanted Romney who has no ideology except to win. I think Rove's choice was the best. With a well run and ruthless campaign, he could have won.

Lately the discussion has been on whether McCain will just dump Palin or not. The betting on him doing so or her resigning for family/medical/personal reasons has gone up 10 since opening this AM on Intrade. Most betting says not. To dump Palin at this point is to lose the election.

So far journalists sent to Alaska keep realizing they are the first ones to do things like look at the old newspaper records of her town, or first to talk to the town clerk. There was no vetting. McCain sent 8 lawyers/researchers there Sunday to find out who knows what, perhaps bury the bodies if possible. In any case it;s a slow motion train wreck.

The National Enquirer (remember John Edwards buddies) has had a team up digging since early in the weekend. There is the smell of blood in the water as all the "gates" morph into one Palingate. At last count troopergate, dairygate, pork barrel bridge to nowhere gate, AIP nutcase gate, oh and it looks like trooper gate is turning into subpoena gate. I think she has been a nominee for what 96 hrs?

Also this weekend McCain hired the very guy who orchestrated the horrible lies about his family durring the sleazy primary in South Carolina he lost in 2000.

Two more months to go with the gift that keeps on giving.

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Guess it depends on who you believe or what you read.

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Mon Sep 1, 10:38 PM ET

Barack Obama’s post-Democratic National Convention bounce in the polls appears to be slightly smaller than the norm of past conventions, and it's gradually depreciating.

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I get polls and my news from the most accurate sources I can. My intent is to be informed not reassured.

Gallup 50/42 and remember 50% is a magic number, considered a tipping point.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109960/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Hits-50-First-Time....
Rassmusen 51/45 with leaners
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2...
CBS 48/40
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_cbs_news_national_82931.php
ARG 49/43
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_arg_national_830_91.php

Check out the internals at CBS these are the kinds of statistics Rove eats for breakfast lunch and dinnner. These are the first since the convention. An astute political operative interprets these ands comes to some sort of understanding. Here they are.
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/internal_measures_of_change_on.php

I still don't think these polls are really an indication of the Palin factor. Most ended on the 31st, I dont' think I included any ending earlier. Remember today is the 2nd. Palins photo with baby is splashed all over US magazine at the checkout stands screaming scandal, likewise with the Enquirer. Me and Dick shoot em up Cheney and probably Mr Turdblossom get our news from the NYT, but most get it from tabloids and late night TV comedy.

I'm not putting my money on Intrade, but I am thinking what companies would likely do well on an economic rebound based on balanced budgets. My favorite is the average of polls. It shows me trends and outliers have less weight.

I think we should all start thinking about how to work together to clean up the mess.

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Here's an article on her church and pastor. Some will love it and others may not, but for me this is the kind of thinking that should be far far away from the White House. Believing you might go to hell for not voting for Bush or praying to a divine being for any political reason seems very similar to me of the outlandish thinking of other religious extremists. Almost a milder Taliban like way of thinking. Also, do you want a persons finger on the button who believes in an Apocalyptic world view?

How is this any different than the reverand wright sermons on down with whitey, ect ect. You cant defend obamas church on one hand and demonize another church via sound bytes and news articles not unless you are willing to do it equally.

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Nobody needs to simplify anything to me about Sarah Palin. I live in Alaska, remember? I'm one of the few people who frequent this forum that has actually seen her work.

Pigeonholing her as some sort of hard right nutjob is idiotic, and people in Alaska know it. What hard right winger would take on insiders in the GOP? Former Governor Frank Murkowski was a classic insider politician. Palin took him on and knocked him out in the primary. She took on the oil companies and hammered out the Alaska Gas Inducement Act that actually got the gas pipeline project off top dead center. And oh, yeah, she ticked off the oil companies in the process because they wanted all kinds of concessions that she wouldn't give them.

What kind of hard right liner takes oil windfall and returns it to the population? I'm not talking about the permanent fund, here. I'm talking about the extra $1200 per person extra she's giving people out of the treasury to provide energy assistance.

The press and Dems are making a big mistake by underestimating her. No disaster experience? How about the fact that she's been running a state that's the size of Texas and California combined, with a good chunk of the population inaccessible by road? It's the most seismically active state in the union, and has more earthquakes than the rest of the US combined. So not only does she have to manage earthquake preparedness, but also has to prepare for tsunamis on America's longest coastline. Also, most years see millions of acres burn in forest fires. Furthermore, this year saw the worst flooding in the interior in decades. That doesn't even address wilderness search and rescue or ships at sea, either. She's certainly much more in tune in this area than anyone from Delaware or Illinois.

In terms of welfare issues, try running state programs with isolated, inaccessible villages scattered across all that land in a daunting climate. We're talking places where troopers have to fly in to invesigate domestic abuse cases.

I thought it was downright laughable that Obama claims to have more executive time than her because his campaign is bigger than the city of Wasilla. Nice try, but Obama's campaign is a drop in the bucket compared to running Alaska. A governor can't just vote "present" either, as Obama has done more than 100 times. Governors have to make decisions and be held accountable for them.

As for Bristol's pregnancy, big deal. That doesn't make Sarah Palin a hypocrite, or say she's ineffective at government. It says she has a teenage daughter with a mind of her own. She'd be a hypocrite if she encouraged Bristol to have an abortion -- it drives the left absolutely nuts that Bristol and Levi intend to marry and raise the child. That's a tough road to choose, and smells like self-reliance and doing one's best to overcome a mistake.

As far as "Troopergate" goes, we'll have to see what comes out in the end. The issue is whether the Director of Public Safety was pressured to fire a trooper who happened to be Palin's ex brother-in-law. Bear in mind that Wooten (the trooper) has been married four times. Wooten has had numerous allegations made against him. Specifically, there were 13 incidents investigated by the Troopers. Of those, four were substantiated: Wooten tasered his 11 year-old stepson, shot a moose illegally (HUGE deal in AK), drank beer in his squad car, and said his wife's father would "eat a f'ing lead bullet" if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce. This is in addition to a lot of minor disciplinary infractions.

When all is said and done, people are going to consider Sarah Palin a wonder of restraint.

There's a lot of condescension out there, to include sexist garbage from the left trying to demean her as just a hockey mom with nothing to bring to the table. Discussion of her church is absolutely stupid, because I've never heard it enter into political discussion up here at all. Unlike Obama, she doesn't wear her religious affiliations on her sleeve for political expediency, and then dump them later if polls show a negative trend.

Sarah Palin is a great choice for McCain's ticket, and it ain't because of her looks or out of hopes of getting the Hillary vote. It's because she's good.

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Well said.

I listened to a tv commentator rail about the treatement Palin is receiving from the press. She pointed out that a big deal is being made about Palin's husband's 22 year old DUI and yet Obama's use of cocaine was a non-story.

The left fear Palin and are trying hard to discredit her.

I am not a kool aid drinking guy. McCain does nothing for me, but I truly like Palin and think she'd be good for the coutnry.

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