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Teaching teenagers to be responsible about sex by giving them contraceptives is like teaching Rosie O'Donnell about dieting by giving her a gift certificate to Krispy Kreme.

Abstinence is the only thing that's 100 percent effective at preventing pregnancies and venereal disease -- but like any form of birth control, it only works when it's used. I have a significant problem with people who think it's wrong to teach kids to stay chaste.

For the hard of thinking let me explain it, the first layer of education and influence is abstinence hence the teaching to children of the dangerous and unwanted consequences of sex. Unlike your approach which is just "DON'T DO IT". So, in a realistic approach favored by those who use rationality as a guide abstinence until adulthood is the ultimate goal.

Now here's where we cross paths expat, because as Sara Palin's daughter is a shining example of even with all of your 'Don't DO IT' wisdom they often succumb to biology and temptation and well just go ahead and do it anyway. And, like any good insurance policy had they known a condom was available to them well they may have just avoided getting pregnant and all the problems that come with that when your just a kid.

EDUCATION is never a bad thing expat unless your some backwards @$$ Taliban who is afraid of knowledge.

Here it is again for the hard of thinking:

1. Encourge em to wait till marriage or adulthood.

2. Teach of the dangerous and unwanted consequences of not waiting till then.

3. If this doesn't work in dissuading them offer them access to BC to avoid and avert unwanted pregnancies and STD's.

I will have to dig it up but I think recent studies have show teen pregnancies are high in ultra religious communities that promote abstinence only dogma.

You said abstinence is the only thing that is 100% effective so what is it in Palin's case, did she encourage her daughter to get pregnant at 17 or was her message of abstinence only not 100% effective?

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Abstinence is the only thing that's 100 percent effective at preventing pregnancies and venereal disease -- but like any form of birth control, it only works when it's used.
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You said abstinence is the only thing that is 100% effective so what is it in Palin's case, did she encourage her daughter to get pregnant at 17 or was her message of abstinence only not 100% effective?

SoCoHunter - here is why I don't take you seriously. Look at the first quote by Expatriate and then look at the second one by you.

Look at how you twisted what he said in an attempt to discredit him.

He very clearly states that abstinence only works when it is used, but you seem to miss that part when you reply.

When you do this and when you don't reply directly to questions posed, it clearly highlights the weaknesses of your views.

Here is another example of how you lie and distort other's statements.

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This just shows he favors being pro womans choice it does nothing to support CVC's claim that he and Clinton favored 'MURDERING' babies right before birth.

Never once did I say that Clinton or Obama favored MURDERING babies right before birth. You suggesting I did is an outright lie.

Let's see how big of a man you really are - I challenge you to show me where I said they were in favor of murdering babies. Now I did say they supported partial birth abortions, but this is not the same as saying they favored murding babies.

Show me where I said anything about them favoring murdering babies and I'll apologize for calling you a liar. If you can't then I guess we'll all know who you are.

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Abstinence is the only thing that's 100 percent effective at preventing pregnancies and venereal disease -- but like any form of birth control, it only works when it's used.
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You said abstinence is the only thing that is 100% effective so what is it in Palin's case, did she encourage her daughter to get pregnant at 17 or was her message of abstinence only not 100% effective?

SoCoHunter - here is why I don't take you seriously. Look at the first quote by Expatriate and then look at the second one by you.

Look at how you twisted what he said in an attempt to discredit him.

He very clearly states that abstinence only works when it is used, but you seem to miss that part when you reply.

When you do this and when you don't reply directly to questions posed, it clearly highlights the weaknesses of your views.

Here is another example of how you lie and distort other's statements.

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This just shows he favors being pro womans choice it does nothing to support CVC's claim that he and Clinton favored 'MURDERING' babies right before birth.

Never once did I say that Clinton or Obama favored MURDERING babies right before birth. You suggesting I did is an outright lie.

Let's see how big of a man you really are - I challenge you to show me where I said they were in favor of murdering babies. Now I did say they supported partial birth abortions, but this is not the same as saying they favored murding babies.

Show me where I said anything about them favoring murdering babies and I'll apologize for calling you a liar. If you can't then I guess we'll all know who you are.

"Obama supports late term abortion just like Clinton did. It is murder and should be outlawed. Delivering a viable baby and killing it is wrong. Not that I believe that the republicans aren't concerned about the welfare of children, but just for argument's sake, let's say they are, how does that change late term abortions of viable children being wrong?"

IT IS MURDER AND SHOULD BE OUTLAWED sums it up.

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"SoCoHunter - here is why I don't take you seriously. Look at the first quote by Expatriate and then look at the second one by you.

Look at how you twisted what he said in an attempt to discredit him.

He very clearly states that abstinence only works when it is used, but you seem to miss that part when you reply. "

Let's not play games alright. It's clear from his comments he is a proponent of Abstinence only being the solution to pretend otherwise is either ignorant or dishonest. "Abstinence only works when used" whoohoo, stop the presses, well no $&^t it only works when used who is arguing otherwise.

Everything you have posted on this thread is why I don't take you seriously. So, I guess it evens out.

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CVC wrote:
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Abstinence is the only thing that's 100 percent effective at preventing pregnancies and venereal disease -- but like any form of birth control, it only works when it's used.
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You said abstinence is the only thing that is 100% effective so what is it in Palin's case, did she encourage her daughter to get pregnant at 17 or was her message of abstinence only not 100% effective?

SoCoHunter - here is why I don't take you seriously. Look at the first quote by Expatriate and then look at the second one by you.

Look at how you twisted what he said in an attempt to discredit him.

He very clearly states that abstinence only works when it is used, but you seem to miss that part when you reply.

When you do this and when you don't reply directly to questions posed, it clearly highlights the weaknesses of your views.

Here is another example of how you lie and distort other's statements.

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This just shows he favors being pro womans choice it does nothing to support CVC's claim that he and Clinton favored 'MURDERING' babies right before birth.

Never once did I say that Clinton or Obama favored MURDERING babies right before birth. You suggesting I did is an outright lie.

Let's see how big of a man you really are - I challenge you to show me where I said they were in favor of murdering babies. Now I did say they supported partial birth abortions, but this is not the same as saying they favored murding babies.

Show me where I said anything about them favoring murdering babies and I'll apologize for calling you a liar. If you can't then I guess we'll all know who you are.

"Obama supports late term abortion just like Clinton did. It is murder and should be outlawed. Delivering a viable baby and killing it is wrong. Not that I believe that the republicans aren't concerned about the welfare of children, but just for argument's sake, let's say they are, how does that change late term abortions of viable children being wrong?"

IT IS MURDER AND SHOULD BE OUTLAWED sums it up.

I believe killing a viable baby during a partial birth abortion is murder, but I never said that Clinton or Obama support the murder of babies as you indicated I did.

You put together a statement and attributed it to me that was false, thus, you lied.

You stated, "CVC's claim that he and Clinton favored 'MURDERING' babies right before birth."

Again, I ask - cut and paste where I said Obama and Clinton favored murdering babies.

You can't because you fabricated that statement. You took what I said out of context, embellished on it to make it inflammatory.

I feel sorry for you - unable to formulate a strong argument you resort to making up statements. It is a pity because other than this character flaw, you seem to be a decent person.

I am done with you. I will no longer respond to or read anything you write it is not worth my time wrestling in the mud with you.

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I believe killing a viable baby during a partial birth abortion is murder, but I never said that Clinton or Obama support the murder of babies as you indicated I did.

You put together a statement and attributed it to me that was false, thus, you lied.

You stated, "CVC's claim that he and Clinton favored 'MURDERING' babies right before birth."

Again, I ask - cut and paste where I said Obama and Clinton favored murdering babies.

You can't because you fabricated that statement. You took what I said out of context, embellished on it to make it inflammatory.

Admit it - you lied.

You said Obama and Clinton favor late term abortions and you stated that was murder. In essence you called them murderers or at the very least supporting murder. My interpretation of your statement, but if it makes you feel better to call me a 'liar' go ahead. I fabricated nothing and made a statement based on the words you typed.

But, please put in in context for me you said Obama and Clinton favor late term abortions and that this is murder. So, what is your interpretation of that? What do you consider them to be? Please explain.

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You say that teaching absinance only sex ed is dangerous? If you look at statistics, they show that areas that teach graphic sex ed have a much higher percentage of abortions. You look at areas that teach absinance only sex ed and the number is significantly less. Abortion is a last ditch effort to shrug off responsiblity. Also abortion is commonly refered to as a womens choice, but do men play into it, nope. A woman can go and have an abortion and the man has no say in it. Teaching kids that they can have as much sex as they want and then if they get pregnant then they can always have an abortion. Thats teaching kids to do the wrong thing.

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There's no such thing as partial birth abortions. Fetuses are killed in the womb with drugs. Only two facilities in the US perform them, 100% of the fetuses are birth defects, often much worse than Down's syndrome. Suggest you all discuss such personal things with your respective families, paticularly your wives and daughters.

One thing a few replies ago I disagree with, it was discusing John McCains character. Eight years ago an honorable man? Well maybe. Today, no, basic lying sack of you know what, will say absolutely anything to get elected.

While in Illinois Obama sponsored a wide ranging bill, it covered sex ed for high shcool kids and safety for elementry school kids about strangers and inapropriate touching. Today McCain has an add claiming Obama supports sex ed for kindergarten children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVLQhRiEXZs
No wonder Palin shrinks away from his embrace, sleazball, ever notice he hugs her way too much.

So if McCain doesn't support measures to protect kindergarteners from pedos what is he, pro molester? Probably

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I believe killing a viable baby during a partial birth abortion is murder, but I never said that Clinton or Obama support the murder of babies as you indicated I did.

You put together a statement and attributed it to me that was false, thus, you lied.

You stated, "CVC's claim that he and Clinton favored 'MURDERING' babies right before birth."

Again, I ask - cut and paste where I said Obama and Clinton favored murdering babies.

You can't because you fabricated that statement. You took what I said out of context, embellished on it to make it inflammatory.

I feel sorry for you - unable to formulate a strong argument you resort to making up statements. It is a pity because other than this character flaw, you seem to be a decent person.

I am done with you. I will no longer respond to or read anything you write it is not worth my time wrestling in the mud with you.

Again you said, partial birth abortion is murder and you said both Obama and Clinton supported it. If you want to play word games that's fine, but it's pretty clear what your intent was and the message you are promoting about Obama.

I also understand the need to act dramatic and feign hurt and bewilderment over what was said. It's a classic right wing tactic and works with others who think as you do. I think it's ridiculous and phony, but what ever floats your boat.

Also found it odd how your post appeared before mine even though you didn't post it before mine. That was a nice trick.

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SoCoKHntr wrote:
Also found it odd how your post appeared before mine even though you didn't post it before mine. That was a nice trick.

I don't know which specific post you're referring to, but posts cannot be rearranged once they're posted. What might have happened is that both you and CVC posted at the same time. Sometimes you don't see all new posts until you've refreshed that particular webpage.

Actually this thread has just become too long, and it has confused the database! neener! Just kidding... Big smile

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