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So you're unhappy with Bush. However Bush and this country have had some tough years. Clinton did not have 9/11 to deal with and he was in office during a prosperous time. He had the privilege of being president during an "easy" time. And no Clinton and the dems cannot take credit for that prosperity. By the way, he didn't do anything about health care either. The health care problem has been around for a long time, it didn't just happen during Bush's tenure.

SoCo its not as cut & dry as you make it sound between the repubs and dems. However historically the dems do tax more and do hand out more money.

Exactly it's not cut and dry, but look how you rationalize with Clinton anything that was good under his tenure was just because things were 'easy' at that time. I've seen you repubs do that all the time if a repub had been leading during the 'easy' Clinton years you'd attach heaps of credit to them instead of shrugging if off as nothing to do with them.

What is painful for me to watch is during a time when repubs had TOTAL CONTROL for a solid six years we've seen some of the worst hits to our standard of living and to the economy, a war started with deception that wasn't needed in defense of our Country, the housing market collapse, yet you would like to pin it on the Dems and vote a new crew in who will keep the same policies going that got us here in the first place.

Do you realize this war costs billions per week if not day. Do you realize we the American tax payer will pay for that likely our grandkids will still be paying for it. Any money considered to be a handout pales in comparison to that cost. You have lost the position of calling Dems the irresponsible party when it comes to spending. The repub controlled Gov. has spent money like a drunken sailor since 2001 that again we will be paying for for years to come.

But, scare people with tales of their guns being stolen and other nonsense and bring in more of the same.

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" change in the media's coverage of Sarah Palin "

The media and the Dems have extremely divergent interests for now.

The media is interested in ratings, the ratings and eyballs on the TV go up when there is a "narative". Ms Palin is a great narative, moose shooting mama and all the rest.

The Dems are interested in winning an election. Ms Palin is a lot more interesting than talking about who has destroyed the economy, started wars, instituted torture as a lawfull thing to do, and so on ad nauseum. Watch Biden or Obama on the interviews, they try to switch the subject away from Palin every time. Scandal McCain wins, look at last 8yrs of his party he loses. Obama saw this on day one, Dem activists are slowly catching up, but then he doesn't control them.

Both Palin and McCain are only doing soft ball interviews. They will continue to do so all the way through the election. The trick is to memorize talking points and repeat them no matter what the question. To someone watching the entire interview it comes off as evasive, to a news organisation taking sound bites to give a candidate a forum to spout spin it works.

The investigation into Troopergate is over. The seven lawyers sent up have turned every person who was going to give a deposition into someone who needs to be supeoned. They can delay for years. Besides, it's hard for people to follow that it isn't the taser guy that's being discussed but rather the police captain or whatever he is called who was fired for personal reasons.

There's always the chance that more will come out. It has become obvious that besides being a smart pol, Ms Palin is also very vindictive, many republican enemies in the legislature, also that she does'nt understand the concept of following good government procedures, or the law. An Alberto Gonzalez without any formal training. In Laos they call these people Pou Ngai or strongmen they're a common type where people are used to widespread corruption and cronyism.

The family stuff is only a bonus for her. If you want to make a celebrity out of someone they need to have some sort of scandal without doing anything really too bad. Look at Paris Hilton and Britiny.

There's always a chance something overwhelming will come out and also be taken up by the press. I think the sucsessionist Alaskan Independence Party is enough all of itself, but the big MSM as it's called doesn't pick up on it. I saw a vid this morning that was hilarious. Long bearded type with suspenders plotting to leave the Union and claiming that Ms Palin had only gone Repub as a cover to gain power. Out there stuff.

The ABC crew headed to do a fluff piece over a few days is just a way for her to put out her rehearsed message while preparing for the debate. That debate might well be the only unscripted look at Ms Palin before the election.

I personaly get more excited comparing the median date of interviewing for polls with rolling averages.

This is the way to honestly answer a tough question instead of silly gotcha one liners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83A-k0R5EPc

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SoCo, and how exactly do you think the dems would have handled 9/11? Or the housing crisis? I suppose you blame that on Bush too. No one president is responsible for all the good or bad that occurs during their tenure. Many feel Clinton was a great president, and yes its easy to be president when the world is stable and economy is doing well. If you feel that Clinton contributed to that stability, how? It was shortly after he left office that we had 9/11. Maybe he dropped the ball somewhere? Bush stepped into office and almost immediately had the terrorist problem to deal with. Not an easy task. Bush, was dealt a different set of cards. I'm not making excuses, its simply the facts.

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SoCo, and how exactly do you think the dems would have handled 9/11? Or the housing crisis? I suppose you blame that on Bush too. No one president is responsible for all the good or bad that occurs during their tenure. Many feel Clinton was a great president, and yes its easy to be president when the world is stable and economy is doing well. If you feel that Clinton contributed to that stability, how? It was shortly after he left office that we had 9/11. Maybe he dropped the ball somewhere? Bush stepped into office and almost immediately had the terrorist problem to deal with. Not an easy task. Bush, was dealt a different set of cards. I'm not making excuses, its simply the facts.

Though I don't agree with the Conservative agenda and didn't vote for Bush when we were attacked I applauded and supported the action taken against Al Qaeda and the Taliban who supported them. I would have supported any admin right or left in this undertaking since it was a just cause against people who attacked us.

When this admin started their foray into Iraq using deception and manipulation in an action that wasn't needed in defense of our country, created human suffering and death on both sides that wasn't needed, and given us a debt that is astronomical, they created that. It wasn't cards they were dealt, but rather cards THEY dealt to us.

Their economic policies and agenda has created the economic situation in our country where so many here including this countries children live in deplorable poverty. Their agenda is give tax breaks to the uber wealthy and let it trick, trick, trickle, down to the masses. We've never had such a huge divide between the very wealthy and the underprivileged as we have know. The middle class is disappearing and again much of that blame lies at the feet of the conservative philosophy of giving tax breaks to companies that ship jobs oversees for cheap labor or turn a blind eye to cheap illegal immigrant labor here and other corporate welfare where any social programs to help the middle class people are cut and insurance companies are allowed to inflate costs and reap in profits from hardworking middle class people who can barely keep up with, gas, food, housing, heating, medical costs, that rise while their standard of living doesn't.

Your team has created this 2001 to 2006 TOTAL AND FULL CONTROL.

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Simple question - the Democrats are in control of Congress, they are in control of funding the war in Iraq so why are we still there?

BTW, I voted for my Congresswoman, a Democrat, in part to get us out of the war. I most likely will vote to reelect her because even though she failed on this one issue, she does support the 2nd amendment and does her best to represent her constituents.

The only person on here that I see repeatedly stating that Obama is going to steal anyone's guns is you. No one else has said that. Now we believe he does not support the 2nd amendment and will work to limit gun ownership by legal gun owners (far different than keeping guns from criminals), but no one said he is going to come in and steal our guns.

Obama is smart enough to know he can't do that and won't even try.

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Well SoCo, be prepared to give up more of your nice $80,000 per year income if Obama wins. Guess you'll be doing your duty in helping out the poor. Our taxing system is a lot more complex than simply taking from the rich and giving to the poor.

McCain is not Bush. Different person, different approach to our country's problems.

And by the way, I'm an independent. Like I stated above, I research the candidates and try to learn all I can about them before voting. I am not swayed by pretty speeches or charm.

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This is the way to honestly answer a tough question instead of silly gotcha one liners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83A-k0R5EPc

His answer is a cop out. He answered that he believes that life begins at conception, but because other people have different beliefs we should respect those beliefs.

Hmmm...interesting concept about basing our law on differing beliefs. What about the cultures that believe it is ok to mutilate a young girls genitalia. Now, I don't personally believe in it, but since there are many different cultures in this country we shouldn't outlaw the practice

BS and that is exactly the answer that Biden gave.

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His answer is a cop out. He answered that he believes that life begins at conception, but because other people have different beliefs we should respect those beliefs.

Yes respect those beliefs but not base the law on anyone's belief system being foisted upon others ie let other people (women) decide for themselves. His ideas created quite a stir on a forum I read. Many many people agree with him, in that they personaly wouldn't choose abortion, but that they don't believe that they should dictate to others. Also that he is so well versed in the bible, (didn't he go to a Catholic College or something) that he knows that there is a big debate among theologans within the church about when life begins. The traditional view is at quickening, at about 40 days when the baby moves.

Put the shoe on the other foot. What if a Muslim's veiw on female circumcision were the law of the land? Shouildn't our government be separated from religion? What Biden was saying was that he felt he is in no position to dictate to you. That he doesn't believe his ideas on morality are any more worthy than other peoples. The reason we reject the Muslim practice is because we as a society don't believe one person (parents) should make such a decision for a another. As adults we allow people to make thier own decisions, some people changes sexes.

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be prepared to give up more of your nice $80,000 per year income if Obama wins

I thought we understood that SoCo would actually get a bigger tax break with Obama?

http://taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411750_updated_candidates_summary...

Besides what isn't counted is the affect on people in his income range of a faltering economy. Serioiusly can you answer that most crucial question, have the past 8 years been better or worse than the 8 years before them?

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Democrats ... control of Congress, ... control of funding the war in Iraq so why are we still there?

The margin in the senate is too thin to over ride veto, hard to separtate war funding from troop funding, don't want to cut money to troops.

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how exactly do you think the dems would have handled 9/11? Or the housing crisis? I suppose you blame that on Bush too

Probaly the same way the Dems handled the attempt to blow up LAX. Do you remember the delay on the 9/11 report, delayed until after the 04 election? How about the inteligence briefing with the title " Al Qaeda to fly planes into buildings"?

Remember Richard A. Clarke chief counter-terrorism adviser to G W Bush?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Clarke
My pet goat indeed.

Off the topic of Ms Palin, but taken as a whole, defence, the economy, our standing in the world, security of the homeland, ignoring the constituion (there are other parts besides the second amendment) defecit, war of choice based on a lie, treating wounded veterans so shabbily. A horrible 8 years. Allowing 1000 people to drown in New Orleans half of them over 75, The list is long. I better stop now.

Rant over

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Shouildn't our government be separated from religion? What Biden was saying was that he felt he is in no position to dictate to you. That he doesn't believe his ideas on morality are any more worthy than other peoples. The reason we reject the Muslim practice is because we as a society don't believe one person (parents) should make such a decision for a another.

The government dictates to us everyday based on morality and religious beliefs. We can't gamble, prostitution is illegal, hunting is illegal on Sundays in some states,

Parent's make decisions for their children everyday. How many circumcisions do you think are performed every day in this country?

Let's set aside first trimester abortions and talk about late term abortions. A late term abortion kills a viable baby. No and ifs or buts - a viable baby is breeched, partially delievered and then killed.

So, you think we should let women decide if this is ok for them? If so, if it is up to a mother to decide whether or not to kill a partially delivered baby then why draw the line there?

Bottom line, it is a safe answer to say, for me it's wrong, but who am I to dictate to others. He, as a senator, dictates his beliefs every day that he passes a law. So, yes, it was a cop out answer.

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Simple question - the Democrats are in control of Congress, they are in control of funding the war in Iraq so why are we still there?

BTW, I voted for my Congresswoman, a Democrat, in part to get us out of the war. I most likely will vote to reelect her because even though she failed on this one issue, she does support the 2nd amendment and does her best to represent her constituents.

The only person on here that I see repeatedly stating that Obama is going to steal anyone's guns is you. No one else has said that. Now we believe he does not support the 2nd amendment and will work to limit gun ownership by legal gun owners (far different than keeping guns from criminals), but no one said he is going to come in and steal our guns.

Obama is smart enough to know he can't do that and won't even try.

Oh yeah, right, uh huh, just let the Dems pull the plug on funding as if they could right now with as civetcat pointed out the thin majority they have right now and watch the rightwing wingnuts go postal screaming how they hate the troops and want them to die. Yeah they should do that then the repubs would have total control again to start more uneeded wars, more unnecessary death and more bills for middle America to pay. But hey, seems like many in Middle America are masochists and like such treatment.

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