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I have been hunting since I was 8 (31 now) and archery hunting for the last seven years and have still never learned how to properly put together a matched setup. I have been trusting the employee of a local archer shop for the past few years and have recently decided that I may have been recieving some poor choices to allow his shop to be more profitable. I'm sure some of you guys can point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Steve.

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What is it that you need some assistance with.

Some info on your bow(s) would be helpful.
Type
Poundage
Draw length
Type of rest
Sights / no sights
Arrow you are currently using
Type of release / fingers
Any other info you can include

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Agree with Fuzzy, need more info. However, much of an arrow depends on how much it can spine. A general rule of thumb is 5 grains per # of draw weight. I'm very close to this, as I am shooting a 355.5 grain arrow (with tip) and pullin 67#'s....getting between 305-310 FPS w/ 74lbs of KE.

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I suppose that sort of info could help. I actually figured that this would be one of those old topics that everone is sick of, and that I would only get maybe a link or something.
I am shooting a Hoyt Magnatec with a 70# pull. 65% let off.
I shoot with a release and drop away rest.
currently I'm throwing Beman ICS hunter 340 arrows
from tip of nock to end of shaft is 29"
tipped with Muzzy three blade broadheads, 100gr.
This set up may be just fine, however, due to reasons other that arrow setup I have lost confidence in the pro shop owner.
I would really like to learn some more about how you come to the propper arrow wieghts/lenght ect. but I imagine most of the is done by testing different setups, and just can't afford to do that. Thanks for you suggestions.

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Not a problem. There are plenty of guys and gals that would be more than willing to help out.
Nice set up. It sound like you have the proper arrow.
All bows have their own stuff to deal with. It's just a matter of finding that sweet spot.
My second question /suggestion is tuning the bow. Have you tuned the bow so the arrows fly square to the target and don't fishtail or porpoise. Basically, fish tailing is corrected by moving the rest either out from or in to the riser very slightly. Porpoising is corrected by moving the nock set on the string up or down, very slightly.
If you need more assistance on tuning let me know.
First is, adjusting the draw weight up or down by 5 lbs.and checking to be sure that the limbs are adjusted properly. Measure from the string to the limb at the limb pocket. Start out at equal distance for both bottom and top limb. Then try an eighth inch less and an eighth more at the bottom limb.

If you've already done these. Let me know and let me know what the bow/arrows is/are doing.

You can go to Easton/Bemans site. Easton Archery. They have an arrow chart to refer to.

A simple reminder. Let the grip rest loose in your hand when your at draw. You won't get any consistancy if you have a hold on the grip. Keep you fingers off the grip but, curled around it.

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currently using these w/ 2" blazers and highly recommend them:

http://www.goldtip.com/products/family.asp?cid=3-F2B5B299-1326-475C-88AB...

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also, check this out:

http://www.goldtip.com/downloads/2006sizing-chart.pdf

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Location: North Idaho, Steve
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Thanks for info. Knowing that the arrow set up is not off a ton helps. I just had a new string put on, and of course she wasn't shooting the way I was used too. I've put close to two hundred arrows through it in the last week and have fixed(or made better) a few problems, but after shooting through a couple dozen pieces of paper I still don't have a real great tear. The fletchings are passing through about an 1 1/4" high and 1/2" to the right of the tip. I've done as recomended above with the rest and tried moving the nock point(will need help w/that as it's a string loop melted in place).
Is a hight tear like that caused by the nock point being too high?
I was shooting the paper about ten feet in front of me. too close, too far??

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The adjustments can be made with the rest, if the rest is adjustable. Move the rest, a very little bit at each adjustment, in the direction you want the fletchings to move. Be sure that you have enough clearance at the riser for the fletchings.
Before moving anything. Mark your starting point.
If after adjusting. There is no change. Go back to the original setting. Add more weight at the tip, 125 gr., or decrease the poundage by 5 lbs. and try again. Be sure to keep track of original setting.
This can get complicated to explain but, hang with me on this. Don't get frustrated.
Try these adjustments. If they don't work or improve arrow flight. Let me know. If it gets worse. You may have to move the opposite direction or increase the poundage. Go back to original setting.
Be sure that the limbs are tillered properly by measuring the distance at the limb pockets, from the limb to the string. They should be the same. In rare instances there will be a slight longer distance at the bottom limb, maybe an eighth of an inch.
When shooting through paper. I like the bow 6 to 8 feet from the paper and square to the paper. Be sure to get a good smooth release. Don't over do it. To much can wear you down and you'll be to worn out to get any consistancy.
Let me know what happens.
One more thing. You want the cock feather either up or down with a fall away rest. Try both and check to make sure the fletchings are not hitting the riser and the rest is dropping quick enough.

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Well, I have moved the rest in and out many times and I think I finally got that part right. The nock point needed to be lowered almost 3/4 of an inch. that made the biggest difference.WoW, what a difference that will make!! I had to move the sight pins (2) up alot to get my arrow hitting the bag. Everything checks out ok and my groups are fast coming back, so I think I'm good.
Thanks for all the help, it is appreciated.

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Glad to hear you getting some improvement. We may be able to get it a bit better.
What are the arrows doing now?
The nock set, on the string, Should be about a 1/4 to 3/8 above square to the rest. It takes very little to make a difference between being tuned properly and being OK.
What kind of string was on the bow before and what is on there now?

I hope your getting the just of this process. Experiment a bit so you can get a feel for what is happening. Nock set up and down. Rest left and right. Poundage on bow up and down. Tiller of limbs equal and unequal.

When you get it set where you want it. Measure the poundage at full draw set. Then go to a chart and see if the chart is where you have the bow set.

One more curiosity. What is the brace height on that bow? The measurement from the string to the inside of the grip.

Glad to help. If you have any more questions. Don't hesitate to ask.

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