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Solohunter,

I appreciate your views and your ability to debate the issue in a civil, well-thought out manner.

It seems that we can agree on some things and others we have a different point of view. Fortunately, in this country there is no "party" line and we can have different views.

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CVC and SoloHunter,

Outstanding debate! You both did a great job of getting your viewpoints accross without resorting to inflamatory comments. Part of the reason why I like this forum so much.

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i think one thing not mentioned in the above debate is that we are through our misguided welfare system both paying and encouraging americans not to work, nor learn to work. which has enormous consequences in learning self reliance and individualism and taking care of one's own. these jobs are open partly because it is much easier to lay around on the dole. also, i would bet that if much higher cost came to produce and fruit due to higher wages/costs, we would see more home gardening going on, which is actually better for us in reducing the food poisoning issues compared to the massive farms/systems we see now. while i do not think we can get back to "the good old days", we could improve the future. Mr. Cool!

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True about the home gardening.

Interesting point I heard the other day. The same people who are advocating for the status quo based on the need for cheap farm labor are the same ones who criticize Wal Mart for paying low wages.

Just thought it was an interesting observation.

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One thing that sets the USA apart from many other countries is the fact that an immigrant has a path to citizenship. Many european countries let immigrants come in as guest workers but there is *no chance* that they will become citizens. Here they become one of us and get a piece of the action so to speak. In the other countries they are always and forever outsiders. It's like the difference between a temporary worker and a hired employee. The employee has a vested interest in your business succeeding. The temporary worker couldn't care less.

I believe that is why we've seen so little terrorism here. Former immigrants may send money back home to support rebels or jihadists but you can bet that the great majority don't want that stuff happening in their adopted neighborhoods. They may support the jihadist wolf when it's far away but won't endanger their families by inviting the wolf inside their own homes.

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Do you have any data to support your theory? It seems counter intuitive to my observations:

Australia has very strict immigration policies, but I don't see many terrorist acts there.

On the other hand, I believe England has some very liberal immigration policies and yet they have experienced alot of terrorist acts.

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I've got no data, just the observation that we're a huge country with very porous borders and see very little of what would be called "terrorism" on our soil. Our politicians talk about it constantly but I've seen very little in the news.

That leads me to two conclusions:

1) That those who are already here may hate the US government but don't hate their neighbors.

2) That those who *are* terrorists are so poorly funded that they aren't effective.

It's been years since 9/11 and where are the terrorists that our leaders promised would be coming after us? I can think of a dozen ways to blow stuff up without resorting to controlled substances. You'd think there would at least be some suicide bombings but we don't even see that.

My third conclusion is that the US government is using the threat of terrorism to advance its own agendas. I actually fear what my own leaders will do to me way more than I fear any kind of terrorist.

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