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Roy Warden was arrested in Tucson after burning a Mexican flag at a pro-immigration rally. Warden says he was arrested because of the flag burning act, but apparently he was videotaped assaulting a cameraman.

http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/124317.php

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It is amazing how anti-American our own country has grown.

Stopping illegal immigration is a major issue that we should be addressing.

Remember, if the American Indian had a better immigration policy this would still be their country. History always shows the future.

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Policy is one thing, enforcement is another.

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bitmasher wrote:
Policy is one thing, enforcement is another.

True. It is one thing to get the law on the books, it is another thing to get people to enforce it. Last time I looked it was illegal to come into this country without the proper authorizations and yet the federal government, state and local governments refuse to enforce those laws.

We certainly can't have illegal immigration and I question why we even need legal immigration. You'll here the cry that our country was built on immigrants. So what? We as a people, we as a nation evolve and just because something was right a hundred years ago doesn't mean its right today.

With that logic Australia should still accept criminals Brick Wall,)

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I'll tell you why we need immigration, because a lot of Americans aren't willing to do labor intensive jobs. Today's youth are generally so spoiled by video games, computers and culture of convenience that they know nothing of hard work and delayed gratification. I work in the construction trades and I cannot tell you how many young Americans are not willing to do some good old fashioned hard work, no matter the wage.

On the other hand, many foreigners who are used to making $700 a year are more than happy to do manual labor. How much do you think you would be paying for a head of lettuce if it weren't for immigrants? A heck of a lot more than you are paying now I guarantee it. Low wage labor undergirds part of our economy.

However I absolutely agree that we must first be able to control our borders if we expect to control immmigration. Unregulated illegal immigration is a race to the bottom. My father in law still makes $8 an hour after working for the same exployer for 20 + years because there are and endless number of illegals willing to do his job for less. This endless supply of low wage labor is a very real threat to the standard of living to the working class. So we need to regulate the amount of low wage labor in this country so that our grocery bills don't triple yet our standard of living doesn't fall either.

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Remember, if the American Indian had a better immigration policy this would still be their country. History always shows the future.

With all due respect, this is perhaps the most ignorant comment I have ever seen in my entire life. Are you aware that every single treaty the natives signed with the Americans was violated every single time without fail by America? It would seem then, that Americans couldn't abide by the very laws they agreed to. Truth be told, America committed genocide for land, case closed.

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Actually, the treaties came after the invasion. History is pretty clear on this -- All the way back to Cortez and Columbus, Indians welcomed foreigners with open arms, and then found out after the fact that it wasn't in their best interests to do so. The problem was that by the time they came to that realization, the number of foreigners in their country was beyond their capability to control.

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With all due respect, this is perhaps the most ignorant comment I have ever seen in my entire life. ]

To quote Groucho Marx, stick around its early yet

My comment was meant in the figurative sense, not the literal. The point is the Indians did not control their borders and let foreigners enter the country unchecked and it ended badly for them.

While it is true that America broke many, if not most treaties with the Indians they did not violate every single one. There are treaties in place today that are being honored. For example, they have taken significant water rights from the water right holders and given them to the Indians.

I am not sure what your point is about genocide. Does it really matter today? Indians were killed, blacks were enslaved, Chinese might as well have been slaves, Japanese were imprisoned for their heritage, Italians, Jews, the Irish, and so on were treated badly. It happened and it should never happen again, but we can't change the past; only the future.

And we don't need immigrants to do the jobs that American's won't do. One, Americans will do those jobs, just not for the low wages that immigrants will do them. The answer is a guest worker program that allows to come here to work, but not become citizens.

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My point about genocide was that no matter what policy the Indians may or may not have had, we weren't interested in any sort of policy but forceful and violent usurpation. It seemed you were drawing a false analogy between Indian immigration policy and their demise and our own policy and our potential demise.

As for Americans doing labor jobs I beg to differ. I have seen it with my own two eyes, that Americans won't dig or even clean up a construction site for 18.00 an hour. I mean that literally. And in farm work if laborers were payed a fair wage you'd be paying much more for agricultural products. Are you willing to pay double what you pay now for groceries every month? There is a disconnect between what Americans say about low wage farm labor and putting their money where their mouth is and buying fair wage and fair trade foods. Go to any Whole Foods, New Seasons or any other fair wage, fair trade, organic type market and buy your groceries. I guarantee it will be double the price.

Finally, guest worker programs are counter to the American spirit of pulling yourself up from your boot straps and making a better life. Low wage labor is a necessary part of our economy. It is deplorable that we would have someone come here and perform necessary work and then have them return to their home country after a number of years. If you are good enough to come here and labor you deserve the opportunity to progress up the economic ladder. Provided of course that one's entry was legal.

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You don't think there are those who would enter this country illegally who are intent on their own genocide against Americans? No, I am not talking about people from Mexico or Central or South America that come here for economic reasons, but those terrorist that want to destroy America. We really need to secure our borders.

True, the American way is to work hard and you can build a better life for yourself, but why can't the guest workers come here, work hard and build a better life for themselves in their own country? From the reports I've read and seen that is what many illegal immigrants do. They come here with plans to go back.

Should we limit all immigration, probably not, but we should be more selective in who we allow to become citizens. I think you'd find this to be very common among other countries.

I believe for us to be secure we have to protect our borders and stop illegal immigration.

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Of course I agree that we have to secure our borders. I heard a politician pose the question this way. How can we expect people to wait at the front door if the back door and all the windows in the house are wide open. If we are going to reform our immigration policy we must first be able to actually control our borders. It is also a matter of national security. Here where I live in the Portland Oregon area three illegal immigarants were arrested that had trafficked something like 3 million dollars worth of heroin into the area from Mexico. Yes, I said 3 million. Imagine how easy it would be for a terrorist to do harm.

I also understand that many illegal workers intend to return back home after a number of years. The difference lies in giving them a choice to stay or forcing them out.

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