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Annie Oakley, let me know if you would like this whole thread deleted.

For the record, deleting a thread like this, or any content on the internet, does not entirely delete what has been posted. Everything posted leaves "footprints" and ends up in an "internet archive."

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What I'm about to say is going to be pretty unpopular. Hope I don't ruffle any feathers here, but I know this will. As I read this thread again it makes me wonder why many of our values are so concervative and right wing, yet contracdictory. I completely understand and appreciate the right to not self incriminate ourselves, but as I read the last few posts I am really kinda ashamed. Here's why: We toot our conservative horn about "taking responsibility for our actions", and how better we are than liberals because we are accountable for our actions, and how all lawyers do is take more than anyone and ruin this country. Some of the first advise given to Annie oakley was to get a good lawyer. The next advise (and I'm guilty of giving this too) was to refrain from admitting guilt on a public forum. I guess I'm wondering why when thugs or some liberal breaks the law, doesn't admit guilt, we look down on them for not taking responsibility for thier actions. Yet we are telling annie oakley to do the same and not admit guilt. If Annie Oakley did in fact brake a law then why not fess up and face the music. If one is guilty then why not just face the consequences for the actions? I surely know why, and I understand the reason for the 5th Amendment. Because the system can be pretty over zelous and with the lack of integrity in cops, anyone would want as much protection as possible. You see guys this stuff is the reason why people like SoCo have issues with conservative republicans. I thought we take responsibility for our actions. I see it all the time in all people. They can talk the talk, but few can walk the walk. When the crap hits the fan, all those high principles and values that everyone preaches about just seem to crumble and fall to pieces. I just see it way too often, especially with conservatives, but maybe that because I associate mostly with conservatives. I have never had any plans to join the left wing liberals. All I'm saying is that if we are right wing conservatives who preach high values, then darn it, we should practice what we preach. Just a thought.

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" and with the lack of integrity in cops " wrote the last Poster.????

It appears to me that the subject is suddenly turning towards the credibility of the Police Officer, and away from the subject mater of what happened during the traffic stop.
I gave the advice that it might be good to "lawyer up", but I think I'll retract that.
Go For it ! Appear in Court by Yourself ! Tell the Judge that the system is corrupt, the Police Officer is a liar, Prosecutor is just as bad, and that he State of Maine is corrupt, I would let loose with what ever you want.

But a good Lawyer might just " Find you a soft place to land",,,,,, Hell The lawyer is probably corrupt too, the police are.
Try this defense : " I was just holding the horses,it was Jessie and the boys that rob the bank."

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Actually Hammer1 your advise was simply to discuss this with a lawyer and that's not bad advise at all. I think it would be good to discuss this with a good lawyer. Just as long as we all understand that lawyers are a nessesary evil. If it happened in Colorado, then what The Sage of the Sage said may not be bad advise either. Look I'm not blasting your advise about a lawyer, all I'm saying is that I hear everyone gripe about lawyers all the time (even on this forum) until they need one. Only then does everyone run to one. You don't need to retract your advise. Just go back and read my advise on this post. I said the same thing.

My point is that conservative republican gun owners boast all the time about integrity and honesty, so if they break the law, then they should have enough integrity to fess up. If they can't fess up then they should just be more careful in life. But I guess it's not that simple. Is anne oakley a criminal? Why was anne arrested just for speeding? There is something missing from this story. Something is not right. Was a law broken? Not sure what the laws are up there in those states regarding weapons in a vehicle. If it is determined that a law was broken, accountability has to be taken for it. I know in my state carrying without a permit is a mistemenor offense, a slap on the wrist. If it were me in my state I'd hardly sweat about it.

Unfortunately the justice system isn't about justice, it's about winning. Like I said the 5th amendment exists to protect against over zelous cops and prosecuters.

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Okay... everyone take a breath.

I'm not exactly sure on how the whole conservative/liberal thing and high thoughts on responsibility got thrown in. Sounds to me like Annie made a pretty simple mistake, and through some unusual circumstances got caught. There wasn't any malice involved. She hadn't just committed a robbery or anything. It's a simple misdemeanor sort of deal that will be cleared up by a fine and/or a Justice of the Peace wagging his finger. I wouldn't blame her for trying to get out of it if possible. I'd probably do it if I were in her situation and thought it was possible. However it winds up panning out, I imagine I'd transport my .22 properly next time.

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Westernhunter - I advised her to hire an attorney because it is the wise thing to do in any criminal case. Regardless of how you plead being represented by an attorney is absolutely necessary for several different reasons. Let's explore a few.

1. It was obvious that she believed that she did not violate the law. An attorney would correctly advise her on this issue. Assuming that she did violate the law and the attorney explained that to her, then her course of action may be different. Instead of pleading not guilty she would have plead guilty and begged for leniency.

2. The state has an attorney representing them - it is not the defendent and the arresting officer testifying. It is a prosecutor who is out to get a conviction and the maximum sentence possible. So, why should the playing field be level?

3. How do we know she is guilty? Are we attorneys versed in Maine law and in full understanding of what occurred? Do we know the police offiicers history?

I have to answer no to all of the above - what about you? The only one that can answer these questions is an attorney. The Constitution provides for legal representation for a reason. It is a right and everyone should be afforded that right.

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Hire a MOUTHPIECE That's what the locals call the lawyers here.

One local says: " I've the right to be silent,even though I've been violent"

Decades ago during a assault trial, the witness kept persistantly trying to say that he observed X punch V, although the assault took place around the corner of the building. The Defence lawyer kept saying. " Mr B, you didn't see it, you don't know that it happened because you didn't see it.
The witness said: " Ya, but I knows I got an Asshole, but I never seen it"

neener! neener! neener!

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Yeah, that's fine for those who initially advised to hire a lawyer. I agreed before and I still do. We have no way of knowing what exactly happened to get Anne arrested. I'm sure there was no malice or criminal intent, but a law is still a law and we are talking most likely a minor offense here. So if the law was violated (even unintensionally) then live and learn. We all believe in personal responsibility here, don't we? We can't claim ignorance from the law, that's no excuse. If we violate the law then there comes a point where one has to answer for it. I have no disagreement that a lawyer could advise and help sort this out for an individual. It's like I said before, there is so much bashing of lawyers, and I've also heard it said here as well, but we need to understand that they are a nessesary evil.

My whole example about conservatives, liberals, and high values was used for one reason. After belonging to this forum for over 2 years I've come to the conclusion (as in most gun and hunting groups) that almost all of us are conservatives and either Republicans or Libertarians. One of the most coveted values of both these groups is "personal responsibility". I was under the impression that this value was held high by us all. That's why I threw it out there. I guess there is a fine line between stepping up and taking responsibility and self incrimination Think

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Western I wish more people were like you and had this attitude. If so OJ would be in prison with an 6'07 ozark hillbilly banjo playing cell mate.

Pretty sure that the above charge is a manditory court appearance not some simple traffic violation or ticketable offense. If you go to court get a lawyer. This is your right same as the right to bear arms. Take advantage of your right. Lawyers are there to protect you as a client and do what is in your best interest of your case. Would you do brain surgery on yourself? Then why would you represent yourself in a court of law? Leave it to the profesionals. Walking in and pleaing guilt says to the judge that every single aligation is true and you have no argument or reason for what occured. There is no guilt "with reason' or "with excuse" as some people might think. Pleaing "no contest" is a far cry better than pleaing guilt. The U.S. says that we are all innocent until PROVEN guilty. That means evidence must be given by the D.A. beyond a resoanable doubt to the judge or jury. The average person has no idea how a court proceeding is run so it's in your best interest to have counsil. If you simple plea gulity you are at the hands of the judge/jury and D.A's recomindation. Now if you have counsil they can tell your side of the story and confirm or deny if any laws have been broken and if so the severity of them and come to a happy medium of punishment

Having testified on behalf of the city and State many many times I can tell you that lawyers drive me nuts BUT if I were ever in legal trouble I would still use my right and higher a lawyer to represent me.

Belive the old saying is that "The man who represnts himself in court has a fool for a client."

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Talk to the Hand Thanks folks, but nothing for nothing, had I not been pulled over for speeding, (5 miles over) and had the State of Vermont not made the error of my name on the system as being suspended for expired inspection sticker, I would have recieved a ticket and been on my merry way. But a domino affect took place from the above mentioned. And yes, I could have shut my head, about having a gun in the vehicle, but I did my homework, even tried for my license to (CAC) as I have in other states, but was told I didn't need one, just cannot be loaded or concealed. But once the officer informed me the truck was being towed, and another officer was going to wait with my jeep until the tow truck came, I felt the need to at that point, to have the officer retrieve my gun on the floor, as it was not concealed nor loaded, and my jeep was going in the hands of 2 people, and not locked. I think it was just a way to stack charges, I looked like a bingo to the officer. I was trying to be responsible gun owner. Had I not said anything and the gun came up missing, then what would happen, What would the state of Maine have said then, I should have informed the officer?? Brick Wall,) This isn't a liberal or conservative issue, this was doing the right thing, and getting penalized for it......

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