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I just did a little research and the Staffordshire was origionally used in bull and bear baiting (?). That was outlawed in England in 1835 and the dog's were used to fight in pit's. They are a cross between a bulldog and terriers. My guess would be the power comes from the bulldog and the heart from the terriers.

When they were imported into the U.S., they were bred for use on farms and origionally used for just that purpose here. Of course fighting is popular so they became the pit dog's we think of today. In fact the "Amer Pit Bull Terrier" is a larger dog than the "Staffordshire Terrier".

It is not the dog that is bad, the dog that has been bred to have a specific temperment and a willingness to fight back. The thing that is bad is some of the hands these dog's fall into where the,,,,,,,,,,agressive trait's are brought out. The same traits could be brough out of the "Dachshund", or several others but they would not have the strength of the "Pit", which was origionally the Bull Dog crossed with the terriers. I believe that "Pit's" are the choice of bad people just because of their heart in fighting back and more importantly, their predictable temperment. You cannot say the same thing about the predictability of the German Shepard of the Doberman, either might turn on their master. The dogs used to guard highly sensivetive munitions dumps in Germany when I was there were German Shepards. The handlers wore heavy dog handler suit's. The Shepards and Dobermans are both a much more intimidating breed when you just stand there and look at them. If you were betting you could handle a dog in a fight, would you take on the 45 or 50 pound Pit or a 80 to 100 pound Shepard or Doberman? The Pit has more heart.

I think it's wrong to judge the breed because of what some people have done with it. One of the most famous Pit's in history was the one on the old T.V. series, "Our Gang", "Pete". He was everything a pit is supposed to be but nothing that it has been reported to be. NOBODY accused "Pete" of being a bad dog.

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So, the Pit Bull is like a weapon. Some like to have them for their beauty and play with them or possibly use them as a working tool but, in the wrong hands can be used to do lethal harm to others.
It been a few years back but, I recall a Pit Bull attack on someone where they found the owner of the dog liable and they had to spend some serious time put away at the expense of the tax payers of the state and they euthanized the dog. Maybe they should put the dog away at the taxpayers expense and euthanize the owner.

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This topic is like anything else you find on the internet being debated. You have your educated folks that are willing to keep an open mind and continue learning. Then you have your under educated types that have formed a conclusion based on half of the truth and swear its the end all answer.

Theres nothing wrong with pit bulls. Theres something drastically wrong with some of the folks that own them and enhance their incredible physical capacity and loyal nature with training or neglect that makes them act out.

I apprieciate the break down on the breeds doberman, sheapard,rotts, and bulldogs. i got my own opinions on that being a die hard and lifelong Shepard owner.

1) dobermans are plumb idiots comapred to the other dogs were talking about here. they are wirey, fast, and in my experience on of the most skittish dogs out there. they make me nervouse and thats never good around a dog. I owned one and personally put a bullet through her head when she jumped on my daughter . The dog had been in my home for three years. I will never have another one, they are simply too skittish.

2) Rottwilers. I dont have alot of experience with. I can tell you they impress me physically and all the ones I have been around were well behaved but no less intimidating to be around.

3) Pits I have owned one that unfortunately took off for a romp out my back door and got hit in the highway. it was a great dog with plenty of energy and truely was great with my kids and the other dogs in the home.

4) German Shepards. Here i have a lifelong bit of experience and I have had everything from American Standard Shepards to Full blown Belgian YEP NAZI dogs. I'll tell you something, in the smarts department, the shepard is king. In the loyalty department I would put him high ranking. In the sheer fear factor a 100 lb Begian Shepard is not only extremely intimidating but a force not to be messed with. However, they are extremely loyal and if you have a wife and kids at home you can rest assured that dog will die trying to defend them without hesitation. You dont even have to train them for that they just do it.

There in lies the problem. You can train your dog to be people orientated or you can purposefully sheild them from meeting strangers and keep them totally focussed on your family as the only acceptable humans. I do not train my dogs this way. We like our company and we dont want the responsibility of having to secure our dog everytime someone comes near our home. So I humanize them by introducing them to people from the time they are a pup. I have never had one of my sheaprds bite anyone maliciously in 35 years of having one in my home.

However I had a teenager peeking in my daughters window one night and my 6 year old Sheaprd tore him a new azz and pinned him until I called her off. I didnt have to teach her that. They truely are well aware of what is and isnt a threat. Nother example is this. Anyone can come in my home and my dog will greet you at the door. Unless I take you and let you into the kids bedrooms you best not go back there cause you will be cornered and held at bay until I show up. They know what their job is in the family higharchy.

Just got a new 6 week old Begian male named Rocky 2 weeks ago. His father and mother are notorious animal killers and they were both offerred to me because the owners cant handle them any more. Both are full boned and the male Bear is pushing 100 lbs.Either of those dogs will kill any man that they feel like killing given the opportunity.. I turned them both down but did offer to put a bullet through their heads for the owner. The dogs are ruined through improper training and other than producing absolutely brilliant offspring will never be anything but a danger to anyone who has them.

Am I worried about little Rocky coming up and being a terror on the neighborhood? Not in the least, its all in how your train them. However once youve screwed them up theres typically no certain way to break them of the trend. Once youve tasted sugar, you cant help but have to have you some every now and then and dogs are no different.

Bottom line, you can make a poodle vicious if thats what you want. i totally agree that the pit bull takes a rap it isnt really deserving of despite the fat in the past month 2 children have been killed in my community by Pits. One was aboy sleeping in his fathers bed . the dad stepped out to talk to someone and when he returned to the house the dogs had torn the kid apart and killed him. Dumb dad with agressively trained dogs that left them alone with a small boy.IDIOT

The other incident was again agression trained dog that got out and drug down a kid in the neighborhood. I am not really much more familiar with the deatils but I can tell you flat out Those dogs were taught to be agressive and not respect humans. Rasing a pup around people it cannot help but bond to people. You are its pack and it will take its place in that pack if you want it to. Dehumanize a labrador and its a time bomb waiting to go off.

All that said I have been bitten by dogs four times in my life. Three times were by a particularly huge Belgian Shepard name of Bismark. he was dehumanized and worked for his owner. The dog in a period of five years figured out 3 times how to breach securtiy and get to me and I have scars on my foream and azz cheeks to prove it.LOL. The are wicked smart. the other was a St. bernard and that was as a kid and an absolutely vicious attack. My wife as well was attacked by a St bernard and has permanent scars over her eye where the dog tried to kill her by biting her through the temples. its all in how the dog is trained.

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This started as a discussion on the qualities of the Pit Bull and is turning into a comparison of several breeds of dogs that have vicious tendencies if taught to do so. All of these dogs are taught to do these things because they can and are very capable.

Lets get back to the qualities of the Pit Bull.
I personally don't have anything against the breed. I just don't care for what some owners have taught the dogs and, if I don't know the dog. I don't know what the owner has taught it. This gives me a very uneasy feeling, knowing what they are capable of.

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Good post. We had a beautiful Shepard when I was a kid. Then moved from Oregon to New York, couldn't take the dog, "Dusty", and my step dad had her put to sleep. She was extreamly protective of our family. An uncle has had several but got rid of them when gradnchildren started showing up, he didn't trust them around the kids, they weren't raised with kids.

I talked in some length with an Air Force security dog trainer some years ago. One thing that impressed me was he took his dog's to the B.X. and had everyone, including kids, give the dog's treat's and fuss with then from the time they were pup's. The reason was that you could not train a dog well as a security dog that did not like people. Security dogs need to be socialized. Sentury dogs on the other hand would at times turn on their handlers and hense the handler suit's they wore on guard duty.

I've had both Shepards and Dobermans and the problem with the Dobermans is that they are unpredictable. That should irk someone. The Shepards are predictable but I alway's felt the Dobermans were the smarter of the two. Also hardest to work with as you could never be sure what might set them off. By the way, all Dobermans are not like that either!

Fuzzybear seem's to be on the right track. Put the dog away and euthanize the owner. Then again I've met more people that I dislike than dog's, whatever the breed.

Seem's like we've stolen this thred, sorry.

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i've found pits to be very useful in hog hunting and the very same dog will also make a great pet! and the pit pictured is actually the boy's favorite dog in either mine or his fathers kennel

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The comparison of dog breeds was only to reflect that it isnt the breed thats the problem. Its the way they are trained thats the problem. I can take any dog you bring me and turn it into a "bad dog" I agree Pits are especially scary when trained like this but its only because of what an incredible dog it is to begin with. They are low centered, heavy boned, with power house muscles. Their jaws are wide and intensely stong. Add to that their tenacious nature which is the very same nature that makes them great working dogs, catch dogs, and you can have a dog that when bad, can be really bad.

All that said, it isnt the breed that makes the dog bad its how you teach it to behave, or not behave, however you want to look at it.

I am sure theres some smart dobermans out there. I've just never had the pleasure of meeting many.

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Great posts and information guys! American Staffordshire Terriers and American Pit Bull Terriers are both one in the same dog...well at least 99% ...many breeders will not admit to this even though its the truth. The AKC does not accept the breed American Pit Bull Terrier, however they will accept the dog registered as an American Staffordshire Terrier. Staffordshire Terrier definitely sounds a lot nicer and breeders of this type take their breeding very serious and it gets rid of the monster name "Pit Bull" which is a loose term anyways. Also, from my understanding the biggest difference with Staff's are the fact that the breeding has been done to remove much of the gameness from the original pit type dogs. I don't know how true this is but i believe I read it somewhere. Anyways, there are still two names for registering the same dog under different organizations: APBT (American Pit Bull Terrier) and AMST (American Staffordshire Terrier). Thumbs up

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I for one find nothing funny about that photo. One of the great thing's about this site is that we don't have to put up with that stuff. I would not be ashamed to have anybody come here. This little "in your face" act is uncalled for and does NOTHING to further your cause for Pit Bulls as a breed. I doubt all that many owner's find much amusement it a public display of that photo here.

Cowgirl, can you delete that?

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you need to go find a sense of humor if you didnt think that was funny.

I got my PM and have replied..

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