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I knew it would happen sooner or later. I heard from a friend who just got back from my spot that after this year no more motor cycles or atv's. Kinda have mixed emotions about it. I have hunted the same spot for 14 yrs with atvs and you could just see from year to year with other U S forest ground being shut down the more hunting pressure from other atv hunters who have lost their access.

I have hunted with horses before. They do have their advantages as well as disadvantages. With a horse comes chores. The main thing I liked about the atv is I could hunt in one area in the morning stop by camp for a hot lunch and hunt 5 miles that afternoon from where I was that morning. Horses are alot slower going

As luck should have it I do own about 40 head of horses so I may have to change my tatics. Who knows it may make the hunting even better if it means eliminating some of the crowd. The unfortunate part of the loose of access is I think the number of permits sold will decline and the DOW will have to make up the lose revenue by hiking the price of the tag up.

I think there has been pressure by some hunters who are against atv's and from my 14 yrs of hunting the area I hunt come to the conclusion that elk get used to what is around them. Last year I drove my atv to the end of a trail spent all morning hiking to the top of the moutain found zero fresh sign hiked back down jumped on my atv ran into another hunter who was on foot listened to him complain about my atv for the better part of 5 min. and then drove about a 1/4 mile in the direction he hiked from and stopped to check out another little honey hole of mine. I took my rifle out of the scabard loaded it and went sneaking down the ridge. I made it about 150 yards and ran into a 5x5 bull that was walking directly in the direction of my atv. I shot him. A couple hours later I had him a quatered out and back up to my atv. I was just stapping everything on my atv when the guy that give me the talking to come hiking back down the trail. Needless to say he wasn't happy and offered no help. About 10 yrs ago I put the sneak on a bull and just as I was about to seal the deal I heard some motor cycles coming up the trail. I thought this couldn't of come at a worse time. The bull was only about 40 yrds from the motor cycle trail. Well here they come 9 of them. All the bull did was trot up behind some oak brush and stood their with his head down. As soon as they made it past him he stepped back into the open and bang. Another easy pack.

I guess what ever happens, happens like I said I can change my hunting tatics. I feel for others who like to do it themselves and don't have the ability to pack it on their backs or do the horse back thing

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WHAT IS THE NEGATIVE FOR YOU HUNTING WITH HORSE, IF YOU OWN 40 YOU ALREADY HAVE TO FEED THEM WATER THEM TAKE CARE OF THEM NOT SURE WHAT YOU MENT BY THAT. BUT ANYWAY I USE TO HUNT WITH ATV AND THEN I GOT A HORSE AND HUNTED WITH IT AND THEN I SOLD MY 600 GRIZZLY AND HORSE IS THE ONLY WAY FOR ME I CAN COVER MORE AREA THAT IS OFF THE PATH AND YOU CAN GET AWAY FROM OTHER HUNTERS

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Here are the negitives I have with hunting with a horse. I'm from Nebraska so it takes a couple days for them to get aclimated to the altitude. You have to pack feed in for them, water them morning and evening, and it would take me longer to get to my hunting spots. Right now I can ride my atv 10 min from camp and be right in the middle of elk. I can't remember when this little honey hole has not produced at least one bull on opening morning and I only hve to walk about 150 yrds from the atv. Don't get me wrong I love my horses. I own 1500 head of mother cows and my atv is an 05 and only has 250 miles on it and 90% of them are from elk hunting.

Another thing that I would not be able to do hunting on horse back is hunt one part of the mountain in the morning and a spot 10 miles away in the evening. Like I said in my first post it will not effect me as much as it will for the hunters that don't know how to ride or take care of a horse and don't have the ability to hike in and out. The more lands that get closed to atvs the more crowded the areas that allow them are going to be.

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I just read and article last night about this very subject in Colorado in the latest Bugle magazine. Your wildlife department head is also very concerned about this issue. It seems that ATV's are being disallowed on existing roads by the Forest Service due to fear of collisions. The wildlife head feels this will cause a backcountry traffic jam with everyone trying to get on those roads with their trucks and trailers. The Forest Service wants to ban ATV's on 46% of existing roads in the mountains.

I'm all for making sure ATV's stay on existing trails and roads and maybe even shutting down a few trails that my be too close together but I am NOT in favor of cutting ATV's off from existing roads and trails in the back country.

Having said that I think that you will actually have more success on horses. Yes you are limited in that you can't spider out from a base camp quite as far but you should be able to get further back into the back country which means less hunters and more game. I think once the idea settles in with you and you try it a few times you'll like the hunting much better. I wish I had your dilemna. I am looking at buying a few horses but I don't have the land to keep them on and the boarding costs make me sick to my stomach.

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The real problem with this whole thing is people look at this and find the good in this. When in reality it will eventually be off limits to all of us. They just keep taking it from us "ALL" a piece at a time. This is where we as hunters are also losing are freedoms slowly but surely. They can not stop hunting right now but they can keep pushing us into smaller areas. Just a thought!!!!!!!!!!!! Brick Wall,)

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elkkill06, that is the whole point I was trying to make. I'm not trying to find good in it just a solution of how I am going to keep hunting my spot. It will not effect me but, over the last several years I have noticed alot of extra hunting pressure. I blame it on other lands closing access and hunters retreating to other lands to hunt. I just got off the Colorado DOW site just to look at stats. Here is what I found in the unit I hunt. This is just 2nd season but the archery and 3rd season are very similar.

2006 , 544 hunters, 138 bulls,19 cows
2007 , 571 hunters, 74 bulls, 52 cows
2008 , 648 hunters, 53 bulls, 14 cows.

104 more hunters in only 2 years in 2008 our camp accounted for 7 of the 53 bulls shot. This place has turned into a zoo. We got so we didn't go out to hunt until about 11:00 because guys would drive past our meat pole see that we were successful and be at our camp first thing in the morning I guess hoping to see the direction we would go. After things kind of settled down for the day we would go out and sneak into a couple of pockets and get our elk and try to be out of there and back at camp before the evening rush would come back up the mountain.

I agree the more public access that disapears the more crowded it is going to get. Some ppl will try to outlast the other guy some will simply give up but the end result will be the same. Our hunting community is loosing members.

Some ppl may not my hunting styles and I may not like the way others do it. The thing we need to remember is we are all hunters as long as you are complying with the law you do it your way and I'll do it mine. If you feel a better scence of accplishment by back packing 3 miles and packing everything out on your back that is fine. Don't get me wrong I am able to hike and pack but, I feel it is crazy to hike 4 miles on a jeep trail when it is perfectly leagle to ride an atv on it. Are there lazy hunters out there? Sure. I hate to see the cruisers just as much as the next gut and the elk would have to be sick wounded are just plain stupid to stand around long enough for a hunter to dig his gun out of a scabard and load it and still have time to shoot it.

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all i was trying to do is the same as the last let you know huntin from horse is not that bad . but here is the deal were i am from the atv trail in some area's are getting shut down as well but most of the reason is that the atv riders are making new trails and going place's were there not suppose to be and speeding down the road dont help. there are dirt roads were im from that i use to hunt know atv is not allowed and back then it piss me off so i got a horse. you are right the more the hunters the more laws there will be and when you get all these rich people and big city fowlk in the govmnt seat they look down on hunting

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I just find it sad that if an area that someone has scouted, learned everything about, and hunted for years has an ATV closure put in place, the hunters using ATV's in said area might abandon it and flock to areas where it is allowed.

I don't have a problem with ATV's until they break the law. Then I get riled up. Nothing pisses me off more than hiking 2 hours in the dark only to have some asshole come puttering down the drainage 10 minutes before shooting light. One could argue that these more strict regulations partially stem from the increased use of OHV's and therefore more use in closed areas (whether at the same rate or not).

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hawkeye, I agree. keep atvs on the marked trails, get to your hunting spot and get off and hunt. It seems like every year I see ppl getting atvs where they shouldn't have them. I started turning them in and by doing that I know wonder if I wasn't part of getting the area shut down. We never see them patrol it so if they didn't know there was a problem may be it would of went unnoticed. Either way I thought I was doing the right thing and hated to see ppl abuse the privilege.

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