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Stay focused Hal Fast

[quote=Hal Fast]

Gotta disagree with hunterkirk on the breaks.  Stick one on the end of the barrel, have junior pop a cap without hearing protection (by design-stupid or by accident-human nature) and he/she will flinch for life.  A properly fitted and sized rifle is the best way to control recoil along with good training and practice.

Like the 7-08 option; went that way with my daughter - a Weatherby Youth model with a downsized stock just right for her 5'2"'s.

And a muzzlebreak on a .22 centerfire?  Seems kinda like giving a condom to a priest.

 

 

 

  Where did you read in my post that I'm (Popin' Caps?)without ear protection??????  I don't appreciate you trying to rewrite my post!  I do understand that there are alot of different opinions on every topic in the Journal (including breaks) but I ain't Popin' no Caps without ear protection.

  Hal fast, What rock did you crawl out from?  I can't believe that you haven't heard of putting a muzzle break on a varmit gun? (I know lots of varmit shooters with them) The reason I choose to put one on my 22-250 is that when your shooting at varmits/prairie dogs and you don't have one, "Stuck on the end of your barrel" your barrel will rise just enouph that it will not allow you to see your taget after you shoot, thats why I have one. The gun also has a custom trigger and a varmit barrel with a fiberglass embedded stock. I suppose I really don't need any of that either!!!!!  These are not necessities but alot of varmit guns have them!

   Your prejudice comment on the priest I really didn't think that was all that necessary either,  How are people supposed to take your post seriously with those kind of comments!   I think you should crawl to your tub and wash a few shades of Red off your Neck!

  P.S.  When your out west and your daughter runs out of ammo,  good luck trying to find your 7-08 load at the local stores!!!

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243 remington is alwaya a

243 remington is alwaya a good bet for a kid...doesnt have to be and probly wont be the only gun he ever owns....

if you decide to hunt bigger animals later you can trade it or buy another...

if you want one gun to be a forever gun 30/06 and shoot reduced recoil ammo for antelope coyotes deer....if he move to bigger stuff regular ammo...

1 gun for the rest of his life???

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Read this

I wrote this short article a few years ago after making a purchase for my 12 year old.  It's certainly one viable option to consider.  http://www.chuckhawks.com/youth_hunting_rifle.htm

BTW, I'm also a big fan of the 7mm-08 as suggested here.  Anyhow, read the article as it might give you some things to consider.  I will say that my 12 year old, of somewhat average size and build quickly graduated the following year to not needing or desiring a managed recoil round.  It was his decision not mine, and he proved it to me at the range that the managed recoils loads were no longer necessary.

 

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My Apologies hunterkurt

For not realizing how tightly wrapped you seem to be on this subject.  I didn't intend to imply that you or yours don't use hearing protection but rather that sooner or later it'll happen - thats just human nature.  The tone of your reply suggests to me that its probalby happened to you which simply makes you human.  For an adolecent starting out (or adult for that matter) the potential risks of a mistake outweigh the possible benefits.

Congratulations to your daughter on her successful deer hunting season.  I do hope that she didn't have to carry those 9 lb+ rifles too far.

As to controlling barrel rise, I agree that from a bench or elevated position they will allow you to spot your misses & compensate for them.  From a prone position using a bipod or other low rest, the dust and debri kicked up by the muzzle blast often obscurs the target, cancelling the benefits of using the break in the first place.  At least that's been my experience.  Also it's happened while "prairie doggn'" (your term not mine) that the ear protection shifted because of a less than ideal body position required do to actual hunting conditions.  Without the tight seal around my ear, the ported .220 swift I was shooting left my ear ringing for the rest of the weekend.  For those reasons I know varmint shooters that won't use muzzlebreaks.

Regarding my "prejudice" priest comment, I'll bring it up to the good Father this weekend.  Knowing him, I'm sure he'll forgive me after he gets done laughing.  I've finished using the tub so if you need it to clean out some of that cheese in your ears, you're welcome to it.

P.S. Three stores in town I checked with all had 7-08 cartridges (three different brands) but only one had any 300 Rem UltraMags.

To tcooper79, sincere apologies for twisting you thread but PLEASE don't get your 12 yr old a Ultramag.  I still think your idea of a 7-08 is on the mark.

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wow hillarious!  I would

wow hillarious!  I would agree don't get a brake and if you do get one make sure it is of the type that can be removed and shot without.  I bought a 338 mag this year and it so happened that the gun i ended up with had a brake and i must admit i was curious about them.  I have shot one round using the brake and hated it.  I can also see the benefits the recoil and muzzle jump were cut significantly but the noise was something else and i know i will not shoot this thing with ear protection when hunting.  therefore i will not shoot it that way on the range.  anyway the 7-08 is a great choice as well as others mentioned here but i would stay away from any mag or ultra mag for a new shooter/hunter.

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wow hillarious!

animalsrdelicious wrote:
 i know i will not shoot this thing with ear protection when hunting.  therefore i will not shoot it that way on the range. 

Is that the way you feel about all of your shooting?  Hearing loss is cumulative.  One loud noise (like a shot hunting) will damage your hearing once.  Ten loud noises (like shooting at a range, plus the shots of others at the range) will damage your hearing ten plus times.

I go to the range every week.  I have for over 30 years.  As a minimum, before I get out of my car or before I go outside the clubhouse, I put in foam earplugs.  On the rifle range I usually wear ear muffs, if I'm shooting a .22 LR or my .375 Ultra mag.  I carry a couple of pairs of foam earplugs when I'm big game hunting, and most of the time I'll have time to put them in before taking a shot.

As for a youth rifle, about anything in the .243 to .308 Win range would be fine, although I've shot some .308's that had a bite to them.  If you handload, reduced loads with any cartridge are a possibility.

As for muzzle brakes, it seems like people either love them or hate them.  They are a great aid in reducing felt recoil.  Some people just hate progress or anything new.  Competition shooters have known the benefits of brakes or porting and used them for years.  My two competition shotguns are ported, and I have brakes on two of my magnum rifles.  I also have mercury or mechanical recoil reducers in several of my shotguns and two of my magnum rifles.  They also help to reduce felt recoil.

When shooting a line of Trap or Skeet, I can't hear a difference if another shooter is shooting with or without porting, but, especially before bird season, I can hear the difference if someone is shooting field loads instead of target loads.  The more powder you burn, the louder the noise, reguardless of the cartridge.  This is true of shotguns, rifles, or pistols.

A full power hunting load in a .30-06 burns around 60 grains of powder.  A full power hunting load in a .300 Wby burns around 90 grains of powder.  The .30-06 is loud.  The .300 Wby is LOUD.  Both my .300 Wby and my .30-06 weigh just under 10 lbs, and they have basically the same stock.  The .300 Wby has a muzzle brake and a in-stock recoil reducer.  Shooting the same wieght bullet, the felt recoil of the .300 Wby is less than the .30-06.

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A .243 makes a great deer and

A .243 makes a great deer and antelope rifle with many models available for youths. I have a Savage youth model that both of my kids used to get started and it has been the best option I have found.

If elk are on the list then  I would try to use something a little bigger. The kids sometimes don't have the shot placement needed when they get excited. Actually a lot of adults are in the same boat with that one.

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I just bought my doughter a

I just bought my doughter a savage .243 youth and i have to say it is a great little gun and doesn't hurt your wallet either. She can shoot it all day long if i would let her and she can handle it real well it is light and with a bi pod she can hit about any thing you put in front of her. The best thing about the youth model it makes a good truck gun for coyotes to

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buffybr, my bad i didnt mean

buffybr,

my bad i didnt mean to say i dont use hearing protection on the range.  I actually wear the little foam ear plugs and muffs at the same time.  I meant to say i wont use the muzzle break because i dont intend to use it while hunting and i dont have hearing protection on while hunting.  Hearing protection is a must on the range, i even gave a cheap pair of muffs to a young kid last year because his dad had him there shooting a bb gun while everyone around was shooting high power rifles and i couldnt handle that.  I wasnt sure if dad would get mad but he didn't say a word.  Done now don't want to be a hijacker. 

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