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Long long distances

If you cant nail the vitals at over 400 you are wounding needlessly and failing to retrieve animals. There are too many gutshot animals found later.

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Welcome to BGH mackillan.

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When I first started hunting deer sized game a alot of the older, more experienced guys I hunted with would talk about 500 and 700 yd shots they had made. I could never hit much consistently enough at anything beyond about 300 yards to justify taking a shot at those ranges.

Having hunted with them now for a number of years and shot with almost all of them at the range I now know they were overestimating the range on most of these shots they were talking about. I couldn't figure out why my skill level seemed (on the range anyway) to be on par with theirs and yet I didn't feel comfortable with those distances and they did.

Just as an experiment one day I asked one of my hunting pals (the 700 yard shot bragger) to estimate how far away something was in the field, not on the range. He estimated 500 or 600 yards. We walked it off and found it to be just a shade under 200 yards. It's not thay they were intentionaly misleading me, it;s just that they ( like most of us) are not good judges of distance.

Personally I think the average person should experiment on the range at various known distances and find what your individual capabilities are and decide not to go beyong that.

There are plenty of people who are perfectly cabable of taking game a greater distances. What for me would be an irresponsible shot, would be for them acceptable. It's a decision you must make for yourself based on your gun and skill level with it.

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Have not been to the site in a while, but read this entire thread. The fact that anyone would take a shot at beyond 250 yds without a range finder leaves me wondering how safe I am in the field. My experience with these guys is that they tend to shoot over the target. When I hear someone say they took a shot at 512 yds., I assume they ranged the shot. When I hear someone say the took a shot at 500 yds., I scoff. I hunt big game in the west and know that if you know your rifle and have a proper rest, that shots well over 300 yds are certainly possible. For the average hunter, a proper rest is not standing behind a pair of steady sticks or resting on a shaky tree limb. Bi-pods, prone with a solid base under the butt and plenty of time. That's when these type of shots qualify as good percentage. I also know that most hunters don't have a good solid place to practice "Long Range" shots. How can you possibly know your rifle without that?

I suggest that if you are interested in long range shooting, you find a place at the altitude you will be hunting. Shoot groups from a bench until you know exactly how your gun performs at various ranges determined with a quality range finder. Record the information including your group sizes. Then practice at those ranges from various hunting style rests and position until you find your hunting limit. It takes time and lots of ammo. I even go as far as running a couple hundred yards (no gun) and then attempt this drill. My friends and I also put a time limit on the shot. Granted, you should have more time on long shots, it's good practice. You will then know your limit. When you hunt, stay within it. Most of the western guides I know really appreciate it but are frankly surprised when their hunters know this information. I guarantee you will think differently about taking long range shots. My friends and I now have far more confidence and will attempt longer shots than before we started this practice.

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That's the best reply and advice I have seen on this thread. Thanks for posting Full Draw.

I have put forth a similar challenge to friends and acquaintances that brag about those 400 to 500 yard shots.
Go to the Range, walk out to the 500 yard board, place the target, walk back, load your rifle and shoot it at the target without a breather and within 30 seconds. None that have taken me up has even hit the board much less the target. I know I can't so I don't try.
I am not saying that it can't be done but your average hunter just doesn't shoot that often at those distances to be proficient at it.

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Great post Full Draw. I wonder how many long range hunter's really have the equipment for long range hunting? A lot of people I hear from that do it simply use thoes range compensating scopes and call it good. Wonder how many long range target shooter's rely on that kind of scope for score's?

Did you see the nomonations for ames? Only two setter's.

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The last three posts are all very much to point and certainly reflect my experience with most 'long range shooters'. The majority talk a big story but do not own the equipment needed or possess the skills required even if they did. I can tell many stories similar to what Full Draw described.............poor range estimation and poor knowledge of ballistics are usually what lays behind most stories of 600 and 700 yard shots at game.

Make no mistake about it, there are a few out there that can do it............people with the knowledge, equipment and skill derived from many hour of practice and untold rounds and replacement barrels............but they are few and far between.

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I shoot a Custom built Left Handed 30-378 Wby Built on a Remington 700 action. 30" Stainless Fluted Barrel whith a custom built muzzle break. sitting on top of a fully adjustable timiney trigger and a pilliar and glass bedded custom ultra light weight houge overmold stock. I recently put a mercruy recoil reducer and a limbsaver recoil pad on it also. and a harris bi-pod. Topped off with a Leupold Mark 4 6.5 X 20 X 50 adj obj and drop compensating recticle. I shoot some hopped up hand loaded 165 gr Hornady boat tails. I love this rifle I just built it last spring with some much needed help from my gun smith. I killed a 26 3/4" 4 x 5 mulie buck opening morning of general season with it at 487 yds. A 190 pound cinny bear at a wopping 47 yds a week before deer season opened with one shot and my first elk ( 6 x 6 324 6/8" gross) at 671 yds after 2 well placed shots on the last day of season. I had the most memoriable season of my life this last year. I couldn't have done it with out the help of my number one hunting partner.....my brother.....who also killed a 170 1/8" white-tail with my rifle durning our late-buck hunt at 515 yds one shot kill.

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Wonder how many long range target shooter's rely on that kind of scope for score's?

Don,

Not myself or any of the serious LR target shooters I know. Those who use scopes will use either a fine duplex reticle or a target dot reticle. All of us have target turrets and bullet drop/drift data (aka dope) cards.

I can't condone shooting at game animals at distances past 300 yards. Too much can happen before the bullets gets there. Most folks who want to shoot long range don't want to put in the time to develop the skills needed for it. I and other competitors have made bad wind calls in matches that cost us valuable points. It's simply trying to compensate for a change in the wind and the wind changes again before the bullet gets there. In the field this would have been a wounded rather than dead animal. Also, many shooters fail to take into account that shooting up or down a slope will change the impact of the bullet. The longer the distance is the more the errors are multiplied. The game we hunt deserves to be hunted not shot at by the next Davy Crockett wannabe with his new canon.

An accurate rifle does not necessarily make a person a good shooter much like a Corvette does not necessarily make a person a good driver.

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I know that I am new here but it seems to me that there is alot of pent up hostility ha ha Im just jokin.

I know that I dont own a rifle that would even come close to any of you guys I am a hardcore savage lover.

I shoot a savage 111 in a .270 I shoot 150,s and I shot a mule deer at 325 last season one shot one kill but I do beleive things have to be right because I passed an a WAY larger animal at 225 the day before. I love my 270

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