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Team 9- S.E.A.L.'S ... We went through the same school as the Marines in most cases. I think nowadays they have their own programs though. Not sure. Been out for MANY years now.

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Really? What was your BUD/S Class #?

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military sniping and hunting have nothing to do with one another.

talk about comparing apples to oranges....

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I respectfully beg to differ sir. It is the most dangerous hunting of all. The hunting of a human is no little thing. Out smarting a deer, elk, moose bear ect is nothing compared when you have to out smart a human. During WWII the British were taught stalking techs and then used said techs to stalk and kill deer for training. While I will agree it is different type of hunting it is still hunting (as is hunting whitetails and cape buff). Camo, concealment, cover and even sent are taken into account. Being a sniper is not just being a good marksmans or trigger puller (not that there is anything wrong with that) , It's a combination of several different skills that make them the ultamate hunter. A large percentage of snipers I have schooled with as well as instructed are big game hunters and use these skills in the field as a "practice".

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I'd say looking at the history of sniping they pretty well go hand in hand. The first sniper units both here and abroad were formed by hunters and both hunting and sniping have fed extensively off of each other from the beginning in terms of equipment, field craft, and general shooting principles. For example, the gilly suit was originally a piece of hunting equipment and the rifles and cartridges / projectiles have been feeding off both sides from the beginning. I can't see any real differences at all unless I'm missing something? In fact, I can think of very few - if any - pieces of equipment or skill sets on either side of the fence that haven't been influenced by one another.

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rifles and cartridges / projectiles have been feeding off both sides from the beginning.

Interesting and correct in my opinion. Consider that the 30.06 was a military cartridge that is widely accepted for hunting and that the first sniper rifles were hunting rifles I'd say you are right on.

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I think a big difference between sniping and hunting would be in the miss. You miss the deer it runs away, you miss the man and he come's looking for you; intentionally. The problem I have with relating hunting to sniping is that one is about sport and the other war.

The discussion about long range hunting should probably really be about long range shooting. When the target is identified and you set up for a shot, you have quit hunting and are now shooting. Doesn't matter if it's 50' or 500 yds. I think it was JC that said, the sniper get's close as he can and still has an exceptable escape route. Long range hunters get to a distence they feel comfortable taking the shot from reguardless if they can get closer.

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Sure one is war and one is hunting, but the argument in it's essence about hitting a target at long range and whether it should be attempted or not. My point being there are people who shoot for a living (it just happens that they shoot people) that say things become unsure beyond the 500 yard range, so what business does the average hunter (who practices a lot less) have shooting at long ranges? I see it as a perfectly valid argument, but the guy who just purchased the "How to Kill an Elk at Ridiculous Range" video along with a super duper magnum, a 1200 yard range finder, and a scope with a reticle more complicated than the space shuttle landing system is not going to like hearing it. It's just an observation.

P.S. nothing against magnums or range finders if used sensibly.

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Don Fischer wrote:
The problem I have with relating hunting to sniping is that one is about sport and the other war. quote

interesting comment and making me think

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remington wrote:
Don Fischer wrote:
The problem I have with relating hunting to sniping is that one is about sport and the other war. quote

interesting comment and making me think

wait for it.......

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