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Trust me, Jackie Bushman is not one of my beloved pros.

True, editing can change the content completely of a show, but I get the sense that these guys can do what they say they do.

I realize that we were not talking about archery, but it is hunting and hunting principles are universal.

If it is wrong to take a shot with a rifle that you can't make 100% of the time then it is wrong to take a shot with a bow that you can't make 100% of the time.

The truth is no one can guarantee a quick kill 100% of the time. You practice, use good equipment and take the high percentage shots, but things do happen.

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CVC wrote:

The truth is no one can guarantee a quick kill 100% of the time. You practice, use good equipment and take the high percentage shots, but things do happen.

Exactly my point. With Archery there HAS to be a certain margin of error simply because of a deer's reflexes and ability to jump a string. There is NO CHOICE involved. But with firearms there IS! And people making the choice to fire off at live target at those rediculous ranges are making the choice to be too damn lazy to get into a reasonable range. Past 500 yards with ANY rifle is NOT a high percentage shot I care not WHO you are!

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So, what you're saying it that it is ok to take a shot which may not kill the animal, but just wound it? Why is a margin of error acceptable in archery? The archer has a choice to use a less primitative weapon so couldn't the argument be made that they are being selfish using a weapon that does not has a high percentage of kill when one exists?

BTW, I do bow hunt so I do not agree with what I just wrote. I wrote it to illustrate the fallacy of your logic.

And, just because a rifle hunter takes a long shot it does not mean that he or she is lazy. Perhaps to them, the satisfaction is not just killing the animal, but how they do it. They want to challenge themselves and for them a challenge is perfecting the right rifle load, doping the wind properly and getting in synch with their rifle so they can make that 500 yard shot.

Isn't this why we hunt with a bow? We know the inherent risk of using a primitive weapon, but the challenge outweighs that risk. We know we could sit in a tree with a 30-30 and shoot any deer that comes within 50 yards with nearly 100% chance of killing the animal cleaning. Instead, however, we choose to impose artifical limitations on ourselves to increase the difficulty of the hunt which at the same time decreases the probablity of making a clean shot.

So, how is this any better than the rifle hunter who takes the 500 yard shot?

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Before anyone goes shooting their mouth off about it, they should watch those who KNOW what they are doing in action. it will make you realize how much you don't know. watching guys shoot prairie dogs at 1000 yards all day and hitting them is not a accident. you can puff yourself up all you want calling those people lazy morons the fact is they know what they are doing and you don't. seeing these people shoot like this time and time again will humble you in a hurry.

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BTW, my offer still stands open for anyone on this forum who wants to shoot 600y and 1000y. If you are ever in the Mobile, AL / Biloxi, MS area you are free to use my rifles, ammo and gear. Let me know a few days ahead of time so I can get things coordinated.

If you want to shoot your own stuff that is fine too.

It's not a slap at anyone to try to prove themselves but a serious invite for anyone who wants to give LR a try on a real firing range. Come out and have fun! Big smile

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Some day I need to take you up on that offer. That would be a great time. Just got back from the range, but didn't shoot farther than 200 yards.

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We don't get snowed out so maybe a winter vaction? cool

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I sat here and read every last post on this subject. I mean “LONG RANGE HUNTING”, who wouldn’t be interested? You just know this is going to be a hot topic, right? The last post on this subject was back in May… sorry I’m coming in to this so late.

Do I agree with long range hunting? No… not really. Here’s why… anything killed at a range exceeding 400 yards isn’t “Hunting”, it’s just killing from an extreme distance. To me, hunting is getting out into the great unknown. Its tracking, finding, stalking, and getting to a position where I can kill my pray with as little after shot tracking as possible. Is long range hunting ethical? I’m the last person to try to answer that question so I won’t even try. That’s just my 2 cents on this subject.

However; as to all of the posts that I have read here regarding the ethics… Bow hunting should be completely banned in the United States. If you go by some of the arguments here that is. I never known or heard of anyone dropping an animal with an arrow without that animal knowing it had been hit. When you use broad tipped arrows so that the wound leaves a heaver blood trail, making it easer to track… don’t kid yourself, the animal suffers. That doesn’t sound very humane to me. Then again, the best shot placement in the world with a rifle doesn’t always drop an animal in its tracks. Here’s what I conceder to be “ETHICAL”… First, don’t shoot unless you have a kill shot, no matter what you are shooting with or from what range. Second, KILL whatever you shoot at… no matter how many shots it takes of how much tracking it requires. And lastly, HUNT for fun… KILL to eat! Never kill an animal and just walk away… Bad Hunter!!!!

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My philosophy is that if you can't get within 100 yrds of your game animal, then you need to re-thing your hunting strategy.

As far as bow hunting and ethics goes. ....I've already accepted that game animals suffer after being hit regardless of your method of take. It's inevitable. We are only lying to ourselves if we think otherwise. That's the nature of taking from the Earth and has allowed humanity to survive since the dawn of man. I think our primative ansestors undertood this idea much more than many modern day hunters do. But, the goal should always be to try and make as quick of a kill as possible.

A point needs to be made that a hit to the vitals will result in a kill within a very short time period. Regardless of what distance you can shoot at, firearm or bow, just make sure you can hit the vitals. Gut shots and rump shots often result in a slow agonizing death over a couple weeks or more, if you lose the animal. It's a shame that too many people who just simply don't know what they are doing seem to end up doing this every season, regardless of the shot distance.

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My philosophy is that if you can't get within 100 yrds of your game animal, then you need to re-thing your hunting strategy.

As far as bow hunting and ethics goes. ....I've already accepted that game animals suffer after being hit regardless of your method of take. It's inevitable. We are only lying to ourselves if we think otherwise. That's the nature of taking from the Earth and has allowed humanity to survive since the dawn of man. I think our primative ansestors undertood this idea much more than many modern day hunters do. But, the goal should always be to try and make as quick of a kill as possible.

A point needs to be made that a hit to the vitals will result in a kill within a very short time period. Regardless of what distance you can shoot at, firearm or bow, just make sure you can hit the vitals. Gut shots and rump shots often result in a slow agonizing death over a couple weeks or more, if you lose the animal. It's a shame that too many people who just simply don't know what they are doing seem to end up doing this every season, regardless of the shot distance.

Amen to that!!! Except for the whole 100 yard thing. Sometimes that just isn’t all that realistic for those of us who don’t hunt with a bow. For your higher powered boom sticks there is the issue of bullet expansion to conceder. Take for instance my .308. I’m currently zeroed for 300yds. I’m using a round that is good out to 1000yds. For this round I’m best suited for shots from 3-500yds and get the best expansion at around 400. however; if I’m going to be hunting in an area were my longest shot possible will be between 100 and 200yds then I would plan ahead for that by changing to a round that is better suited for shorter ranges and re-zeroing my rifle. I try to keep the range as short as possible simply because I like the challenge of the stalk to keep my skills sharp.

My motto: KNOW your equipment… KNOW your dope… KNOW the area… and ONLY take the shots you KNOW you can make and you can’t go wrong.

There’s no such thing as TOO much practice and practical training.

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