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I'll be getting a 45-70 here shortly. Like every other round I shoot, I'll be loading for this one also.
It'll is a single shot
Black bear and Roosevelt elk, out to 150 yds, will be the primary game.

specs:
45/70 single shot NEF/H&R
22" barrel
Open sights
7-1/2 lbs.

I'm not the least bit familiar with loading for this mule.
The two bullets that are of interest are the 350 gr Hornady round nose and the 350 gr Speer flat nose in front of 52 to 56 grs of H4198.

Any feed back on this combination would be greatly appreciated. As I'm not familiar with loading the round.
Seeing as how it's a single shot would crimping still be required?
Are there any powder preferences?

I've calculated approximately 38 ft/lbs of recoil. It won't be an all day shooter but, it should be very effective out to 230 yds with the Speer's.

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My cousin in-law reloads a 45-70, with a 400 grain bullet, he got 1500 fps on the average. Later he started getting higher velocities, 1850 with one load, 1900 with another, and 2150 with still another.

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The Ruger #1 & #3 will hold up to those high pressures.

There's a gunsmith, up the road, that has built a couple of 45/70's, for himself, on Mauser actions. He's getting 458wm performance out of both.

The manuals will give you guideline on what rifles will and will not handle the high pressure loads.
If there is any doubt or question. Don't do it. Check with a tech from the manual and have your rifle looked at by a qualified gunsmith.

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fuzzybear:

Do you plan on using the 45-70 on elk this fall or one of the high powered magnums?

How's the load development coming along and how accurate is your "mule?" As in MOE (Minute of Elk)? eye roll

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I haven't taken any time, as yet, to work up any loads in the 45/70.
Right now I'm more interested in the 338-06.

I'm going to leave the 270 & 300 wsm's at home this year. I'm taking the 30-06 and I'm hoping to have the 338-06 ready.
We're headed out tomorrow night to scout the area. Taking the '06 for any Black Bear we may come across.

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What load do you prefer in the 30-06 for Black Bear?

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A short, 8lb single shot '06 with a 1.5x - 4.5x 20 scope. Throwing a 220gr Partition at a little over 2300 fps. Anchors them where they stand. No chasing them into the brambles or underbrush.

I know you like stats. This is pretty much what they do. Of course I have to deliver the bullet properly.

Sited dead on at 100 yds. +0.2 high @ 50 yds. and -2.0 @ 150 yds.
About 2800 fpe @ muzzle. 2500 fpe @ 50 yds. 2200 fpe @ 100 yds. 1900 fpe @ 150 yds. You also include, they are very heavy and it takes more resistence to slow them down. Heavy bullet at a moderate velocity.

Felt recoil is about 22 ft/ibs. A tad more than your basic '06 load of 19 ft/lbs.

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Good luck on the hunt! That 220-gr. Nosler Partition ought to put 'em in permanent hibernation.

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Loading for the 45-70 gov't

What load did you end up with? Here's a new round for me yet to be tried...the one on the left. It's from an old Lyman mold...a 550gr. flat point. The one on the right is my old favorite 535gr. Postell for comparison. I'm thinking this 550 flat point oughta wreak havoc on anything on this continent. Thumbs up I don't crimp mine. Powder...these in the pic are loaded with 70grs. of Goex Cartridge Grade powder. Don't think this 550 is a good blackpowder bullet cause of just having 2 grease grooves. But wanted to try it anyway. Smokeless...I've used Accurate 5744 with good luck and my favorite hot load is IMR 3031. Mostly black anymore though.

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With archery season and work (theres one of those four letter words). I still haven't taken any time to work up any loads.
Those are some very serious looking projectiles you've made. That rifle should be named Thumper.

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Re: Loading for the 45-70 gov't
fuzzybear wrote:
specs:
45/70 single shot NEF/H&R
22" barrel
Open sights
7-1/2 lbs.

Remembered what you are gonna be shooting...don't try that 550gr. bullet with smokeless out of that short, light NEF. Been through that with a friend from work as of late. My blackpowder loads thumped him real bad...but he was wanting smokeless. Gave him options on bullet and load. He still wanted the big pill and a stiff load. Came up with one for him...39grs. of 3031 behind that big bullet. A thumping would be putting it mildly. Said the first shot...that little short light weight thing came up and hit him right between the horns. He didn't want to wuss out after one shot, so he shot it again. Second shot knocked him off of the bucket he was sitting on. That was with the NEF and a 22" barrel. He then switched to the Buffalo Classic and could shoot about 10rds. before he had to quit. I haven't tried any yet...but they'll be alright out of mine cause it has a 34" barrel and weighs 13 pounds.

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