my load was IMR 4831 55.4gr with a 130 gr nossler BT bullet. Thanks for the comments on groups. I guess in my mind I should put those holes through each other as I have a really nice gun rest sitting on the bench. I must still somehow move even as I touch of the trigger as in a group of 3 shots, I will put 2 together, mostly touching then the third goes off. Not that you get a third shot hunting very often unless its chicken in a tree. I really appreciate the advice here, I still am working at believing these result with just a different powder. Make me think of tring it with my 30-06. which with the loads I make now shoots better then the 270. But it also my rifle lefthanded and all.