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load data not enough info powder/bullets

hey guys im just starting out reloading and have a Q. why is it when i look up loading data for spacific bullets a siera game king 215gr there is almost no info on it and its with powder i do not have ..also why is it they will list some powders for say a 200 gr bullet and completly differnt powders for a 225gr do i have to buy all these powders or is there a nother way to figure it out .. and i have gotten on most of the sites bullets and powders bullet sits show 1 load with 1 powder ..powder sites show 1 powder for 1 gr bullet different powder next grain bullet .. and i also have 3 books lee/lyman/speer

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Re: load data not enough info powder/bullets

You have just wandered into the wonderful world of reloading mysteries. Really the real answer is that the loads that you see in the manuals are the best 10 or so that the company that wrote the manual came up with. As far as the powders are concerned and what you have vers what they list is different powders have different burn rates. Some slower some faster some work well in a .223 case where others work better in a .300 magnum case. The same goes for what powder for what bullet. Your load for a 200 gr bullet with ABC powder may be on the limits for that powder and bullet combination where the load for the 225 gr bullet with XYZ powder may just be the starting point for performance. That is why the manual will tell you to never start out with the maximum load for that bullet and powder combination.

An example of this is a load that I started to build up last summer. The manual told me that the maximum powder charge for a bullet was 96.5 grains of XYZ powder. I loaded up some in one grain increments from 94 grains up to 96 grains and never did go as high as they said that I could. When I took them to the range I found that the 94 and 95 grain rounds were reaching the fps that the manual said was for the 96.5 grain load. When I shot the 96 grain load the fps was well over what it should of been but I didn't see any real signs of high pressure. I then loaded up 10 loads of 96 grains of powder and took it to the range. The velocity were within 2 fps of each other but when I looked at the last case I was starting to flow some case material into the extractor on the bolt but this was the only one that I could see it on. Upon further examination of the other 9 cases I saw that the primers were just starting to crater. I had to use a magnifying glass to see this. So I backed off to the 95 grain load and all is fine. Come this summer I may even back it off another grain depending on how they shoot.

When I first started reloading 40 years ago the smallest can of powder that you could buy was 1 pound now I believe that you can buy it in a 1/2 pound can witch would be nice when you are building a load, but I haven't seen any. The loads that I usually use I have used for a long time and only buy powder in a 8 pound keg.

Just remember that a reloaded cartridge is a set of components that you put together following a recipe like baking a cake. If you don't follow it it may still look like a cake but I wouldn't want to eat it.

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Re: load data not enough info powder/bullets

thanks critter that is what i was looking for....... i was looking for more uses for the powders i have butt i know now it will take time and more powder choices ..

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Re: load data not enough info powder/bullets

And it sounds like you need the Sierra Manual, which has load data for the exact bullet you are looking (and 215 grains in a .338 isn't really a common weight, so it doesn't get much thought from the powder companies)

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Re: load data not enough info powder/bullets

You can purchase pamplets which are caliber specific, such as for the 243 only. Which use the info from nearly all the bullet makers reloading books such as, Sierra, Hornady, Nosler, Speer, and so forth. It lists each different bullet makers recommended powder brands and charges for their bullets for that specific caliber. Their only about ten dollars (I've bought mine at Sportsmens warehouse) which is cheaper then buying a specific brands reloading manual such as a Nosler book which only has the recommended info for their bullets. You'll get a better idea of all the different powders recommended for your caliber. When I first got into reloading I bought a Speer and Hornady manual for about 25 bucks apiece which were helpful, but now I just buy one of these pamplets to reference and have one for the 22-250, 243, 7 mm Mag, and 30-06.

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Re: load data not enough info powder/bullets

thanks socokhntr just what i did last week got one for my 7mm they dident have one for my 338 but iwill get 1 i wish i would have started reloading a long time ago this is fun i also have a 22hornet witch is a blast to reload for its a NEF ands its a fun gun to shoot also a 44 ruger carbine thanks yall

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Re: load data not enough info powder/bullets

Serra does list a good number of powders for the 215gr bullet. The powders your using in your 7mm should also work in the 338 but, for whatever reason may not be the best. the 4350's and slower work in a lot of different cases, 7mm and 338 included.

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