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Seems like crimes lately are being unfairly associated with conservatives. Its the liberal blame game, associating the right with hate while ignoring their own hateful truth.

The left swept Private Long's murder under the rug.

James Von Brunn is more tied to the left than the right.

http://www.examiner.com/x-9100-Boston-Conservative-Independent-Examiner~...

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From your link,

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NO ONE on the Right would ever murder an American soldier

Tell that to the families of Capt. Randolph A. Guzman, Sgt. 1st Class Lola Bolden, and Sgt. Benjamin LaRanzo Davis.

The murders are starting to add up, I've said all along this hate speach doesn't do any one any good. Denying that right wing extremists are right wing extremists fools no one. All those haters making ratings off other peoples fears are laughing all the way to the bank.

Wish people would talk about health care of budget deficits instead of when is killing people justified. I'd say that DHS report was on the money. Glen Beck and scary music with Nazi photos in the background, calling the president a terrorist and socialist, people oughta be ashamed.

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I missed the connection from Private Long to any American group of any sort? Have any links? Rachel Maddow mention him on her show 28 times and call him a baby killer? His murderer a contributer to left wing web sites? Please explain? Was his killer a Democrat?

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Cowgal, it's amazing how some of the facts abot von Brunn just have the hardest time making it into the media. The media's model for this type of thing is that anti-semites are right wing zealots.

Yes, von Brunn hated Jews and minorities. But he also railed against "neocons", both Bushes, Fox News, and Bill O'Reilly. Maybe we should assign blame by association to everyone who shares those beliefs? Oops...those pesky facts make him look left wing. Get the von Brunn coverage off the air quick!

And then there's Jeremiah Wright -- "Them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me." But of course, when confronted about it he clarified the remark and said, "I didn't mean Jews -- I meant Zionists." Oh, yeah, much better.

The big difference is that people on the right will admit that hate-filled extremists exist, and condemn them. The left, on the other hand, makes excuses for its extremists.

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amazing how some of the facts abot von Brunn just have the hardest time making it into the media.

Those fact checkers are just a pain in the neck huh?

Von Brunn was also one of those special class of conspiracy theorists The Birthers

http://www.birthers.org/

I guess you both make a good point though. I mean don't most lefties hate African Americans, Jews, and Obama? ? ? Of course. Makes sense to me, up is down, see ya at the voting booth smile

There's actually a name for this false thinking, it's called the No True Scotsman Falacy it's a type of self sealing arguement. Wonder who thought it all up and then diseminated it. Got to hand it to the righties the message machine is still up and running.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman

Some times right wing loonies are just so over the top that I start laughing. I mean how out there is it possible to be? The Minutemen slaying thing down by the border will be hard to top, what's to beat shooting a 9 yr old kid? And then the went looking around for the other sister to kill her! Glad they're protecting our borders, and not in my town.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090613/NEWS01/706139922/-1/RSS02

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cowgal, expatriate, you both make good and factual points.
The left HAS to hate and spread hate as they have no other substance in any of their stances that they so passionately believe in.
They even hate each other, how else could it be when you have such jealous individuals bantering about how terrible it is to be poor and how terrible it is to be rich and gimme, gimme, gimme all that I want but don't make me do anything but ask for it. What? Don't have anything to give me? Well by god TAKE it from others(Rich) and give it to me and to hell with my neighbor, he can get his own "Sugar Daddy".

It is time to get past the "Blame Game" and remember that we are all in this together, whether Republican, Democrat, Right, Center, or Left we are all Americans and the President is supposed to be FOR the citizens and the well being of the country and not just the 21% who call themselves "Liberal". http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideologic...

Nobody inside the Twin Towers, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, The Pentagon, The Olympics in Atlanta or aboard any of the hijacked 9/11 airliners were asked if they were Democrat, Republican, Right or Left.
They were Americans and that's all that mattered.

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It's also interesting to see how fast information on the guy dried up when these inconvenient truths started appearing. It's all gone down the memory hole. Try it -- go to Google and try to find raw data via von Brunn's own writings. It's not easy. Funny how people will tell you about him, but nobody wants to give you access to raw data so you can make up your own mind.

However, as ugly as it may be, here's one of his postings to give you insight into how truly insane the guy is. Note the hatred toward Bush, O'Reilly, the war, Rupert Murdoch, neocons, etc. Also note attempts to quote JFK.

http://www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/blog/?p=537

The guy's an absolute loon that you can't just pigeonhole into some model that suits a political agenda.

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JTapia wrote:
cowgal, expatriate, you both make good and factual points.
The left HAS to hate and spread hate as they have no other substance in any of their stances that they so passionately believe in.
They even hate each other, how else could it be when you have such jealous individuals bantering about how terrible it is to be poor and how terrible it is to be rich and gimme, gimme, gimme all that I want but don't make me do anything but ask for it. What? Don't have anything to give me? Well by god TAKE it from others(Rich) and give it to me and to hell with my neighbor, he can get his own "Sugar Daddy".

It is time to get past the "Blame Game" and remember that we are all in this together, whether Republican, Democrat, Right, Center, or Left we are all Americans and the President is supposed to be FOR the citizens and the well being of the country and not just the 21% who call themselves "Liberal". http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideologic...

Nobody inside the Twin Towers, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, The Pentagon, The Olympics in Atlanta or aboard any of the hijacked 9/11 airliners were asked if they were Democrat, Republican, Right or Left.
They were Americans and that's all that mattered.

Up is down, night is day, all I've ever read that you have written is blaming the left and outright hostility to those who don't think like you do. Look at your first paragraph, is that to be called coming together or meeting your fellow Americans half way?

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SoCo, you gave up the moral high ground when you refused to condemn Pvt Long's murder. You can't get it back now by trying to play up guilt and victimhood. Many of your posts have been just as polarized as JTaps -- just on the other end of the spectrum.

So what do you think in regards to von Brunn? Does hate transcend political boundaries? Or are you going to try to argue that it only exists in the right wing?

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Uh, oh, here comes that, "when did you stop beating your wife" Long question.

Expatriate if you're really that interested why not look up the fellows web site, must be loads there. Have a ball.

While buisy looking around the net search on Southern Poverty Law Center, they keep track of extremists and the info is public. Over the last couple of years anti immigrant anti hispanic has taken the biggest surge. That DHS report was prescient. Of course they were talking extreme right wing extremists. And of course that label wouldn't include any here does it? I mean no harm in condeming extreme right wing violent extremists I'd think, or is there?

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SoCoKHntr wrote:
[Up is down, night is day, all I've ever read that you have written is blaming the left and outright hostility to those who don't think like you do. Look at your first paragraph, is that to be called coming together or meeting your fellow Americans half way?

Thank you SoKo for validating my point so precisely.

Why don't you point out where I am wrong or did you just chime in with some derogatory remarks?

I never said that I thought we should meet half way. What I said was that you guys need to quit blaming everything on the "other guys" who ever they might be, and start working toward solving this countries problems without all the childish rhetoric, but that I believe that you are incapable of that.
Just look at the way JR was attacked by you and your sidekick when he was making points that were on the left agenda only he wasn't reading from the Teleprompter but formed his own opinion and used his own voice to communicate them. You guys even went as far as accusing him as being a righty in lefty clothing.

If standing for Truth, Facts and America as it was founded and not that it should become "like all the other countries in the world" is hate or blame mongering then where do I buy the tee-shirt? I'll proudly wear it.

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