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Boy this one is tough. I do support legalization for medical use, but I do not support general legalization. I know what you're saying Bunny and it could help with taxes and reducing crime related to drugs, however pot is a small portion of the illegal drug trafficking. So we legalize pot, then what's next? Where do we draw the line?

Just as with alcohol, there will be people that do not use responsibly.

I also know some aging hippies that still smoke pot and I do believe it has affected their brains. They seem generally duller and zoned out, even when they're not high. If pot was legalized, I believe people who now occasionally indulge in it, would do it much more. Do we want a bunch of zombies on our roads? Would you want to work with one that might put your life at risk? There's a reason why many jobs require random drug testing, especially jobs that involve dangerous equipment.

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I don't support legalization. John Walters penned one of the best essays I've read on why we should not legalize.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124061336043754551.html

There is a counter essay here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124061360462654683.html

Those that are for legal marijuana like to suggest that smoking dope is safer than tobacco. While marijuana may not be as addictive I highly suspect that it is probably just as powerful of a carcinogen.

To a certain extent I think alcohol and tobacco should also be banned if we are going to leave a partially socialized medical system in place. Most abusers eventually suck up a disproportionate amount of medicaid and medicare dollars later in life (blown livers, blown lungs). Its not fair to the rest of us that they get to recreationally engage in activity that is known to cause serious health issues and then expect society to pay all or a portion of their medical bills later in life.

Liberty has to be reconciled with the medical "safety net" that government seems to believe some Americans deserve. You can either do away with the "safety net" and let people do whatever they want (and reap the consequences for their actions) or more tightly regulate abusive behavior. Its a slippery slope on both sides, but its one we've built for ours.

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This is a controversial issue no matter how you slice it with valid points on all sides. What surprises me is the number of folks on here who are open minded to the idea and our lefties haven't even waded in to the argument! . I certainly expected to be not only in the minorty given my views but to get beaten up. I will however say in 25 yrs I've never arrested a burglar who was trying to support his pot habit. Nor have i ever called an ambulance for a woman beated by her husband because he was on marijuana. Crack, Heroin, Alcohol? Yep. I even arrested a guy ripping off a car to get cigarettes! Pot just doesnt have the crime associated with it that other substances do in my experience. Is smoking it a great choice for your life and health? No, but it should be your choice. IMHO. Now I've said my piece and will shut up on the subject.

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Both WSJ pieces are excellent, thanks for sharing Bitmasher. It shows that WSJ is perfectly capable of publishing both sides of a very controversial issue.

I of course agree with the Walters piece.

Excellent point about the burden on the medical system. I believe the burden is even greater than just the medical system. Many addicted individuals do not work and bring addicted, sick children into this world that we end up supporting. And then the cycle continues.

Bunny, I don't know what the statistics are for criminal acitivities among pot smokers, however I do know that they are just as dangerous behind the wheel of a vehicle as a person that's been drinking. Their reactions are impaired.

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Bunny, I don't know what the statistics are for criminal acitivities among pot smokers, however I do know that they are just as dangerous behind the wheel of a vehicle as a person that's been drinking. Their reactions are impaired.

Your right Cowgal, impaired is impaired no matter how you slice it. The difference is people are still smoking and driving just as they are still drinking and driving. There are consequences for driving impaired be it alcohol or narcotics. One is illegal, the other is legal and taxed. Both are still consumed and we haven't been able to change the consumption rate of either. The difference is when I buy a bottle of Vodka (potato jokes aside) I'm not putting money directly into the hands of Mexican drug lords but into the economy and the governments tax system. Might I remind all here the Mexican drug lords doing all that killing right now just across in even into our boarders are not cocain or heroin dealers for the most part but marijuana growers and smugglers. Legalizing marijuana wouldn't eliminate crime but it would force these people to find another source of income and possibly hurt them for a while. We frequently make the argument that gun control does nothing to stop crime. Obviously making drugs illegal has done nothing to stop this problem either. Maybe personal responsibility really is the answer. I don't know. Interesting debate though.

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My thoughts have many similarities to bunnyslayers'.
I believe that it should have never been illegal to begin with. Lets face it, it is a weed.
As CVC stated you never hear about a stoner getting all smoked up and going home and beating his wife or girlfriend up, never hear on the news that Pot was the contributing factor in the traffic accident. I know plenty of mean drunks but never a mean stoner.
You've never heard " sorry Mr.& Mrs. American Parents, little Johnny has (insert terrible disease here) caused by his pot smoking or second hand pot smoke.
Saying that pot has ruined many a good men and women is not that clearly accurate of a statement. People who are weak willed will succumb to something along the way and it won't matter what you try to criminalize to try and stop them. I find it difficult to believe that pot ruined them or somehow became the stepping stone or precursor to harder drugs.
WSJ articles were great pieces but are you kidding me? Comparing Pot to Meth? Cocaine? Crack and Heroin? It should not even be compared to alcohol'
John P. Walters needs to take a vacation or something. That guy is way out there.
Steven B. Duke is missing the point also. Mexico's drug Cartel and crime wave should play no part in the decision to legalize Pot.
I don't believe that legalizing would be "lowering standards", moral or otherwise. Legalizing would be correcting a wrong.
BTW I don't smoke pot but did my share in my teens. Never robbed a liquor store, killed anyone, or otherwise create mayhem while I was high. Stopped cold turkey when Football coach said he would test everyone for drugs. No withdrawals or "jonesing", just quit, never missed it and have never smoked it since.

Last note, Liberty should never be reconciled.

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People who are weak willed will succumb to something along the way and it won't matter what you try to criminalize to try and stop them. I find it difficult to believe that pot ruined them or somehow became the stepping stone or precursor to harder drugs.

Thumbs up Is an alcoholic less an addict than a heroin user? I have seen serious cases of people coming off of both. Neither are nice to look at. Both addicts are dangers to society in one way or another. Only one is a crimminal.

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Despite the effects that marijuana could bring if misused and abused, there are still many people who are in favor of legalizing it.The said survey proves that a lot are in favor of its legalization.For now, we can see that there are bills for its decriminalization. A bill decriminalizing the having little amounts of weed barely approved the Connecticut Senate earlier this week. A similar bill on
the floor in New York seeks to correct a loophole in earlier legislation. Even some proponents of the N.Y. bill see its passage as unlikely. The legislative session ends on June 20. Paying the charge in Connecticut will only take a payday loan now.

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rileyW wrote:

Despite the effects that marijuana could bring if misused and abused, there are still many people who are in favor of legalizing it.

LOL.....marijuana is already misused and abused by some, if not by many.  But as I've said before, the same can be said true for beer and liquor.  I don't think it's a positive step for the betterment of our society, so that's why I would vote against it.  Besides, those pushing for medical marijuana are mostly people who simply want to enjoy it recreationally and be legal doing so, but they lie to us and themselves that it's for medicinal purposes.  Most of them far out number those who really need it medicinally to mask pain from illness.  This really tells me something about users of marijuana, they fool themselves and lie to others just for a high.  To me that's not a step forward or a direction I'd like to see my community going. I'd have much more respect for the marijuana-pot smoking crowd if they would just have some backbone and some integrity and tell the truth about why they want the drug legalized.  I have no respect for people who decieve or try and sneek in under the radar, especially when they have a chemical dependency.  But that's just my take on the matter.

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it should not be legalized,

it should not be legalized, it should only be available for people that are sick. It still being open to people that need it people that dont will still get their hands on it. it starts off as just a litle bit of pot but then it leads to more things like meth.

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