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Has anyone ever heard of this service or had any experience with them?

Basically for $150 a day +travel costs they will go and scout an area that you direct them to and provide you with:
GPS tracks and waypoint files from the scouting trip
Mapping package
Topo Maps with noted game trails, beds and sign
Digital photos of game encountered.

Obviously there is a significant amount of trust in the service provided but if they do as they say for someone who is planning a minimal budget do-it-yourself hunt this could help your odds. Of course someone could easily create the material provided by sitting at their computer and never set foot in the woods but as I said there is a significant amount of trust.

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They guy who owns the service is a member here named "oddhnter" or something like that. He pops in and out from time to time. Like you said, it is a trust issue, and at the very least, even if he did make everything up from his computer, you would get some decent advice on specific locations for a consulting fee. And with that, you would or should feel like you are going in a little less blind.

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I am kind of thinking that the service offered rides (or crosses) the border of hunting and/or guiding. One needs a license to hunt, and one needs a license to guide. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I might wing it by my IFG contacts.

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Well the website also advertises
Guided Prairie Dog/Coyote Hunts
Montana Elk, Mule Deer & Antelope Guides
"Carl Mann's Montana Experience Outfitters"

My guess is that it is a legitimite and legal service so far as Montana FG are concerned. The site even listss Carl's Guide #.

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In Idaho you don't guide unless you are sponsored by a licensed outfitter.

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The other part of me kind of ... well, I kinda want to tip my hat to the guy and his idea. Like a lot of us - he's probably jist trying to make a buck doing what he's good at, or loves, or both.

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Heck, I wish I could afford $3000+ dollars for a week of guided hunting, unfortunately with a kid in college and another in private school my budget is slim.

I don't need to shoot an animal to have a good hunt, I would like to but don't need to. If I can increase my odds for an extra 300 or 400 bucks it may be worth it. Is this guy cutting the legs out from under some other guided services, I guess one could argue that. Not sure why there needs to be an all or nothing approach, I kind of like his middle ground.

Unfortunately I am tainted by a previous guided experience in CO. I was invited to go with a group of 6 guys many years back. On the 2nd day of the hunt two of the 6 guys shot bulls and then it was like someone pulled the plug. No one in camp ever saw another animal. I was young at the time and I am pretty laid back but a few of the guys were not happy with a 2 for 6 ratio and the consensus was that the guides had set a limit on the number of animals that would be taken. That trip cost me $3500 including flights and such and trust me I never heard the end of it from my wife when I came home empty handed.

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... yeah, that's the bummer. You have this KML guy who sounds like he might be pretty decent (at least interesting), though perhaps not traveling the normal road of guiding, and maybe iffy on licensing issues ... and then you have duly licensed guides who have some horrendous ethics.

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Shark Bait wrote:
Has anyone ever heard of this service or had any experience with them?

Basically for $150 a day +travel costs they will go and scout an area that you direct them to and provide you with:
GPS tracks and waypoint files from the scouting trip
Mapping package
Topo Maps with noted game trails, beds and sign
Digital photos of game encountered.

Obviously there is a significant amount of trust in the service provided but if they do as they say for someone who is planning a minimal budget do-it-yourself hunt this could help your odds. Of course someone could easily create the material provided by sitting at their computer and never set foot in the woods but as I said there is a significant amount of trust.

There really is no way I could make this up on the computer simply due to the fact the in the scouting package, I provide geotagged photos from the trip. This means you will see pictures of the trail, certain openings, views from lookouts, pictures of game, etc. on a map exactly where the photo was taken.

When you load any of the files that come with a scouting package into Google Earth, you will see points where the photos are taken and you can select those points right on the map to view the picture and get a perspective from ground level.

When you are out on your hunt, you will recognize each feature that you have already seen by looking at photos in the scouting package. And you should feel like you know the area already if you take my advice and study the map package carefully before the trip.

As far as legality goes, I am a hunting information service which doesn't need to be licensed for providing information on areas that are scouted preseason (in any of the states for which I offer my service).

For guiding, I am licensed with the state of Montana (my guide # is on the website), that is a different can of worms.

Hope this answers some of your questions.

-Eric

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I'll get you darn near the same information for much less than $150/day.

Raghorn Hunting Services

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RaghornHS wrote:
I'll get you darn near the same information for much less than $150/day.

Raghorn Hunting Services

Thanks but I don't think you understand what I was looking for, or at least in reading your website your service does not provide what I am looking for.

I fully understand the permitting process (for MT) and have discussed at length with Fish and Game what I need to hunt Elk in the specific Zone I am interested in. I even have the entire state of MT on 1:24K with the ability to print and laminate.

What I was looking for was a local guide or service that would scout a specific spot and give me recommendations on game locations and movement. Possibly a spot to setup a base camp and potential bivouac camping locations. This requires a visit to the proposed site and some local knowledge.

Eric has provided some great feedback and I look forward to working with him.

To use an analogy, a few years ago I took a vacation trip with my kids to the Florida keys. My son and I spent $400 one day to go and fish with a guide, it was fun but he took us to one spot and we learned next to nothing. For the rest of the week we fished with the 15 year old kid next door, gave him $25.00(unsolicited) a day learned how and where to catch bait, bonefish, permit, snapper and tarpon.

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