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Anybody notice what Schwarzenegger signed into law? Buyers of ammunition will be required to register and be thumbprinted at point of sale to buy ammunition, and sellers will have to maintain records on the premises for five years.

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0951-1000/ab_962_cfa_200904...

I can only imagine where this is going next. People are going to complain about it, so no doubt the state will "compromise" in order to ease the burden on the law abiding via a license or card that will eliminate the need for fingerprinting, etc with each transaction.

Of course, that immediately raises several questions. First, how do you prevent straw purchases? Obviously, if someone is trying to buy .357 ammo and they don't own a .357, they're helping a criminal right? So maybe we should require gun owners to register their weapons so ammo purchases can be verified as legitimate? And surely the only reason someone would purchase large amounts of ammunition would be to help someone else skirt the law. So maybe we should put limits in effect -- like 100 rounds a month?

This really sounds expensive to administer, doesn't it? Kalifornia is in financial trouble, and people don't want to expand state spending. Why pass that burden on to the general population when you can enact a tax on ammunition to fund the program?

How do you prevent criminals from going across state lines to buy their ammo? How about a tax stamp on each box that has to stay with the ammo?

Wait a minute...there's people reloading out there, and that would skirt the program. Hmmm...we probably ought to regulate reloaders as "ammunition manufacturers" and require them to maintain records and buy tax stamps. Obviously there would be fees involved. And then people might have issues with ammunition manufacturers setting up operations in residential areas -- there's always ordinances that can fix that.

Of course, none of this affects your Constitutional right to own a firearm. It's just "common sense," right? sad

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A friend of mine in Texas e-mailed the info to me on this bill pretty close to a week ago I think.....just after Arnold signed it. Very interesting and just another example of how they will just keep chipping away.

Your points are all true of course.............one thing is for sure, laws such as this are always full of loop holes and are exceedingly difficult to enforce. They also are usually a precursor to bigger and better things. (I'm being sarcastic here.)

Bottom line is that it gives the illusion to the unwashed masses that big brother is trying to look after them and protect them from the bad guys. The majority of well intentioned but uninformed will welcome it with open arms and there will even be some gun owners who live in the greater LA area that will privately think it is not a bad idea.

How long before it expands to other areas and simlar bills are successful in other jurisdictions?

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BGH posted the following news release when the bill was signed:

Schwarzenegger Signs Into Law AB 962 - Which Requires Fingerprinting for Ammunition Purchases

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Schwarzenegger went back on his word. He said he would NOT pass this bill, and then did. This is one of the most ridiculous laws I've ever seen.

Then to add insult to injury, Schwarzenegger vetoes a bill that would have prevented hunting license tag/stamp monies from being misused for non-game conservation or non-hunting purposes.
http://www.biggamehunt.net/article.php?art=6680

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sad sad sad sad
Arnold is a worse Governor even than Grey Davis before him. At least Davis was an honesty enemy. Arnold is aptly named. Benedict that is.

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Legal or not, it's a sure bet that cities like Reno NV, Medford OR, and towns in western AZ will be doing a ton of ammo business. That's where all the gun owners from CA will be heading to buy it.

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Exactly, WH...if you think it through, you can see where people will argue for successive "common sense" legislation. You can't get the public to buy off on the whole package, so you go after it with an incremental approach. Enact a law that creates a flaw in execution, and then argue that you have to enact another law to fix the flaw. Each law turns the screws tighter and tighter. For example, people are "smuggling" ammo across borders, so you need to check for ammo at border crossings like you do fruits and vegetables. We inspect to protect our farms, why not do the same to protect our children? I can hear it now.

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Yup and the whole state of Kalifornia is so broke that last tax season the governator was issuing IOUs for tax returns because the state didn't have the money to pay refunds. Seems like the governator has managed to do one more stupid thing that will kill revenue in their state this year and for years to come.

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And the death spiral continues. Abuse people with taxes and regulation, and they move out of state, reducing revenue. So you raise taxes on the ones that are left.

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Yeah, but then all you'll have in Kalifornia are illegals, and they don't pay taxes. Hate to sound that way, but they are part of the bigger reason Kalifornia is broke. So the governator goes after our ammo? What was that word that Jeff Cooper used to use to describe an irrational fear to weapons? Oh yeah - Hoplophobia: "mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons". The most common manifestation of hoplophobia is the idea that instruments possess a will of their own, apart from that of their user.

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Yeah WH Hoplophobe is a "Cooperism" which applies nicely here. I used to hope things would get better here. Now I only hope they hit bottom. Much like an alcoholic or drug addict our state is teerering on the brink. If we hit bottom, maybe we can start the long climb back. Until then I will plan to leave as soon as it's financialy feasable for my family. Even our republicans are worse than most states democrats.

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