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Don't we have to consider the area your predominant hunting ground is?
For instance up in my neck of the woods there are no long range opportunities. We have bush inside the bush. Most Moose and Bear are shot in the 50 to 100 meter/yard range.

I have that as well as the high probability of a long shot on Mule deer and elk.

I saw a large buck yesterday afternoon while grouse hunting. He was on a ridge above us. Likely 600-650 yds., uphill (approx.) 48* angle. Wind5-6 mph. 90% value L>R. If I had my 7RM I could have shot him. 150 gr. Silvertip 3100fps. Yes

The day before I tracked a black bear to within 70 yds. It was a sow with a
cub. Shame on You!

I strongly suspect that if the shot could have been made at 650yds with the 7mm mag and 150gr, then the shot could also have been made with a 308 and a 165gr bullet. We're talking a deer here and if someone has the ability to make that shot, then the cartridge they do it with could vary a great deal.

But I strongly suspect that the average shot at game is well under 300yds.

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Ruark said use enough gun. Decide what is enough for you and stick with that. Magnum, non magnum, 06, 308, 7mm, who the heck cares. If you can't hit with it it's useless. I personally hunt with a 338. mag for almost everything but that's just what I like. Hit them where it counts and they won't know the difference between a 300 magnum whatever and your Dad's 30-30. Just my 2 cents.

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Ruark said use enough gun. Decide what is enough for you and stick with that. Magnum, non magnum, 06, 308, 7mm, who the heck cares. If you can't hit with it it's useless. I personally hunt with a 338. mag for almost everything but that's just what I like. Hit them where it counts and they won't know the difference between a 300 magnum whatever and your Dad's 30-30. Just my 2 cents.

Thats not the question. Why do people go out and buy more cartridge than they can handle then control the recoil with after market products? We're talking non-dangerious game here. Ruark hunted dangerious game in Africa, N. America is not Africa.

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We buy particular guns because we want them! Guns are not all that expensive and don't take up that much room. A guy may buy a 'magnum' with the dream of a brown bear hunt, Africa etc.

Even years back some magnums came with recoil pads. Today there are better, softer pads etc. The recoil reducing products make the heavier kicker easier to use.

I have 'magnums' because, at least in theory, they have more range and I do hunt some open land.

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Don Fischer wrote:
But I strongly suspect that the average shot at game is well under 300yds.

Not necessarily in my neck of the woods. I spent most of my day yesterday sitting in a saddle glassing avy paths in adjacent canyons. Cover is too tight for more than 50 yds. Vegetation is too dry to stalk. So, I hunt, high shoot long.

Wolves have also contributed their fair share to making deer and elk more jumpy.
I've heard bugling only one time out. I'm out nearly everyday.

I'm well versed in the .308 from using the M40A1.

I can handle the recoil just fine. I'm 6'2" 235 lbs. and fit. I'm a mountaineer.

"Not dangerous game here."
I live in grizzly country. While I have no desire to shoot a grizz a confrontation over a kill is highly possible! Many times pepper spray isn't a possibility, ie.wind, rain, snow, etc.....

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To answer your ? Don, my reply is not directed at any member or group but I know it will hit home to a few.
It is all about being Incompetent as a shooter/ and or hunter. Miss an easy shot tomorrow, must be the rifle, bullet too slow, possibly too fast, Oh, wind drift, that's a real good one.
Conclusion: Buy a new rifle, get a bigger one, but please don't blame the innocent firearm that served thousand of people flawlessly for decades.
I intentionally avoided mentioning any particular calibre, It may have " International Consequences

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Don, maybe it's just people being people. We live in a country where fancy is often mistaken for better, and in the case of rifle cartridges many people think higher velocity is the key to good shooting. I personally and whole heartedly disagree but I seem to be in the minority over the last several years. And as was mentioned in a previous post I think many people are trying to compensate for lack of shooting skill by buying a bigger, fancier rifle which is really a mind boggling train of thought to me. I just shoot what works for my situation and keep it that simple.

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While I believe some people buy magnum rounds for the wrong reasons(not going to list them here), there are others who buy these calibers to have something different. I fall in this category. I own several gun cabinets full of rifles/handguns and some of them are there for no other reason than to be different. I enjoy shooting all the rifles I have regardless to caliber and shoot them all equally as well IMO. I do agree that you should shoot the caliber without all the recoil reducing devices added. If the recoil is an issue, get a lighter caliber. At the end of the day, most of the magnum/non-magnum calibers will work for almost any situation and dead is dead for the game. I will say that I would rather shoot too much caliber at game than not enough but to each his own. Most times I will take my 6.5x55 or 6mm remington hunting for WT deer but would not hesitate taking the 300RUM as well. I've killed deer with both and couldn't see much difference in meat damage with a boiler room shot.

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I would buy a particular round, whether it be a standard or magnum from the 22's to the big 33's or a custom, because i had an interest in reloading for it.
Once I got familiar with the round, if I didn't have any other interest in it, I would sell or trade it for something that had my interest.
What it did for me was give me first hand knowledge of the round, knowledge on what I needed in a rifle/round and a box of left over parts and pieces for bartering or setting up a friend.
Being a meat hunter. After all this trial, error and learning. I settled on three rounds and a 30-06 for hunting these lower 48. Any others would be to look at or take up space.

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