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One of my most vivid memories of the Carter administration was seeing him kicked around and humiliated around the world, and watching him wring his hands in indecision and talk about his "concern" and need for negotiation.

Sometimes I really miss Carter, compared to what we're seeing now. Pirates off Somalia hijacked a US-flagged ship, lost the ship, and are at this moment holding the ship's captain hostage as they drift in a lifeboat in the Indian Ocean, negotiating a ransom.

For two days, reporters have been asking Obama for a comment on the situation, and for two days he has refused. Maybe they haven't got it loaded into the teleprompter yet.

Nobody expects him to lay out his plan for fixing the problem. But how tough is it to say, "This act of piracy is a heinous act that has no place in our modern age. I won't go into any details at this time, but I will say that we're considering our options at this point and will do everything we can to bring the captain back safely."

Is that too much to ask for? A president that actually considers the situation worthy of comment? Carter may have been weak and ineffective, but at least he let us know he was worried about being weak and ineffective.

America has dealt with African-based pirates before, which is why the Marine Corps Hymn mentions the "Shores of Tripoli." I say get the captain back, deploy Marines covertly on merchantmen, and blow pirate boats out of the water when they attempt to board. Maybe when they realize that boarding American-flagged vessels is a suicide mission, they'll start looking elsewhere. If that doesn't work, destroy the havens they're working out of. But what do I know? I'm just one of those guys who still thinks our nation's honor and security are actually worth defending.

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Your fond memories are of thirty years of Republicanism, Clinton included.

If you want to pine for someone pine for "Dick" Cheney who was disinvited for the Bushy reunion next week down in Texas. Condi didn't feel like catching some in the face, and G W is still sore over the war and stuff. Maybe they are holding their own little Texas tea bagging party.

You missed out mention of bowing to the Saudi KIng. Anything to get the subject off the total fail of the Replican Party. Just a question of how low can they go? I think 3% of voters would be about right. Fringe. Like the KKK or something. A good place to collect all the nuts.

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Geez, Civet, that sure is a lot of desperate flail to try to avoid talking about the issue at hand --- we're talking about Obama's weakness on the pirate issue, remember? Care to talk about that?

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Another day gone by...I'm sure the thugs and despots of the world are watching with rapt attention while the President of the United States wrings his hands, paralyzed with indecision over what to do about a handful of pirate adrift in a lifeboat with a single hostage. He can't even bring himself to go on camera and condemn it or even comment on it.

Around the globe, the bad guys of the world are rejoicing and planning. So who do you think makes America less safe:

1) A president that uses the nation's resources to track down and kill those who threaten America -- to include attacking the nations that host them;

or

2) A president that huddles in a corner hugging his blankie because a handful of pirates have him too paralyzed with indecision to even figure out whether he disagrees with them or not.

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Hmmm...

1. A president who starts two wars one of them on totaly fabricated propaganda, who also manages to wreck the economy, shred the Constitution and destroy our standing with the rest of the family of modern nations. The guy who lets terrorists bring down the world trade center. The guy who lest Bin Laden get away.

2. The guy who fixes the mess.

I don't fixate on TV entertainment news. There are still two wars on, people losing jobs, kids dying for lack of health care, the world turns around once a day.

I'm hopefull the captain of that ship makes it out ok, I don't obsess over a TV event. I certainly don't think the president of the United States is personaly directing any sort of rescue. I think there are thousands of people in the militarty right there right now, they probably have a better handle on things than someone a few thousand miles away.

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This is about similarities between Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama projected weakness, leave Bill Clinton out of this discussion.
After all he is the one who said Iraq had WMD's and that the region was not safe because of it
He also let Bin Laden go when he was offered to him,
He also told Snipers who had Bin Laden in their sights to"stand Down".
The housing and banking disaster are interrelated and has its beginnings with the Clinton Administration, see Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.
The world trade center happened after Mr Bush had been in office less than 8 months so that would also fall onto Mr Clinton's shoulders as it was his watch that let the terrorist over here to begin with.
All of this is on wiki, you can easily look it us as I did, oh but you have and you are purposely posting inaccurate and untruthful information to try and cover your lack of an explanation on your fearless leader being paralyzed by...well fear.
You can't threaten these bad guys with a "time out" and a trip to the therapist.
They are Armed so in their mind, that is what works for them to instill fear and project power. Use that same mindset against them and thats what they'll respond to.

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Terrorists started the war. War...singular. Two fronts does not constitute two wars. If you can't even understand this basic concept, you've got no business commenting on warfare. There was a clear connection that led us into Afghanistan, and that hasn't been disputed. As for Iraq, we've been over this again and again and again. Believing bad intel isn't the same as lying. And you have a lot of nerve acting high and mighty about fabricating evidence when you're posting photoshopped pictures as evidence.

Obama hasn't "fixed" anything. We're talking international affairs here, where he's botching it on a monumental scale. How has he "fixed" North Korea by making all kinds of threats prior to the launch, and then utterly failing to take any action afterward? Has he "fixed" Iran by sending that ridiculous video over? Has he "fixed" the Somali situation by refusing to even comment on it and leaving the press to publish "What should he do" stories?

Obama's foreign policy so far has been marked by weakness, indecision, appeasement, empty threats, and embarrassing protocol gaffes.

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Well, no Iran hostage crisis after all, I'm sure your leader rush is sad, no failure.

Kind of off topic but I thought I'd tell you a secret expatriate.

Iraq didn't attack us on 9/11. Now I know that not knowing something like that you might blame on lack of "intel" , I don't.

What is it with you guys anyway? Are you with us or are you with the terrorists? You hate America or something?

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Show me one statement from Bush that said he invaded Iraq because they attacked us on 9/11. I know you and the other followers of the Goebbels propaganda manual believe that if you repeat the same lie over and over again, people will believe it. It's not gonna work.

But once again you're dodging the issue by going off into la-la land again. This thread is about Obama's inaction, hand wringing, and indecision when it comes to confronting international crises.

Happily, it appears there were Navy or Marines on scene who were willing to actually make a decision -- the captain's free and 3 out of 4 pirates who had him are dead. Maybe now that it's resolved, Obama will have the stones to actually make a statement -- although I wouldn't be surprised if it's an apology to the families of the pirates.

UPDATE: The message is already coming in. The administration is saying Obama told the DoD to use military force to free the captain. I might buy it if he'd actually taken a leadership role, acted like it was important to him, and actually commented on the crisis as it occurred. But he sat on the sidelines, and now that it's over he's running onto the field saying he made the winning play.

And how often did you see reports of military action under Bush reported as "in an action authorized by President Bush..."?

If the rescue had gone bad and the captain had died, what do you think the chances would've been that Obama would say the operation was conducted under his direction? Or do you think there would've been an inquiry into how the military botched it?

He sat this out so he could take credit if it went well, and distance himself from it if it went bad.

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yada yada yada. Why not admit it Expatriate. Obama's the man. You accuse him of doing nothing when actually he was and did, just didn't shout it from the rooftops.

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