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JTapia wrote:
The following are the rules and regulations used by the State Of Florida.
Several years ago we had the same problems as tesoronut described and lots of Hunting land disappeared for Dog hunters. These rules were brokered between landowners and Dog Hunters and appear to be working well so far.
Keep in mind that trespassing while in possession of a firearm is a felony in Florida which helps in stopping folks from coming onto your land and hunting without your permission.

Perhaps Hokieman could relay these rule to the State Wildlife Commission and use them as a model for similar legislation to quell this problem.

Text taken from website, page 17.
http://myfwc.com/hunting/pdf/08-09HuntingRegulationsHandbook.pdf

Hunting dogs: Dogs may be used as an aid in taking game mammals and game birds, unless otherwise prohibited. Persons owning or using dogs shall not knowingly or negligently permit such dogs to trail, pursue or otherwise molest game during
closed seasons. While hunting during archery, crossbow or muzzleloading gun seasons, taking deer or wild hogs with dogs is prohibited. Dogs on leashes may be used to trail wounded game mammals during all seasons. Taking turkeys with dogs at any time is prohibited. Hunters who use dogs for hunting, including bird dogs or retrievers, are required to have their dogs wear collars that identify their owners. This regulation also requires dog hunters to possess landowners’ written permission before using their dogs to pursue game on private property. For more information, contact an FWC regional office (see page 4).
Deer dogs: Deer dogs can be trained during
closed seasons when dogs are constantly attached to leashes or ropes in the hands of their trainers for training purposes. Deer dogs are permitted to run free for training purposes only during deer-dog training seasons
(see page 17). Taking deer or any other wildlife with a gun is prohibited while training deer dogs.
Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission 2008-2009 15
General Information
Statewide deer-dog registration: Deer hunters using dogs on private properties in Florida must obtain a no-cost registration from the FWC. Registration requirements apply to the deer-dog training season and during any open deer hunting season when it is legal to take deer with dogs. Registration may be issued to landowners, hunting clubs or anyone having rights to hunt the property. Once a registration number has been issued,
the unique number must be affixed or attached to collars of dogs used to hunt deer on registered properties. Hunters also must possess copies of the registration while hunting. To comply with the rule, deer-dog hunters on private lands must have registration
numbers on their dogs’ collars; possess copies of the registration; and keep their dogs on registered properties. Applications are available at an FWC regional office (see page 4), county tax collectors’ offices and MyFWC.com/hunting. Applications must be submitted
no later than 30 days prior to the final day of general gun season in the hunting zone that the property is situated.

Thanks for that info. Looks like Fla. has done alot to try to solve some problems! One thing that I think is a little unfair for other types of hunting with dogs(in Va.) is the inclusion of non-nuissance types of hunting into the "nuissance" category. In other words, I don't think coon hunting or rabbit hunting should fall into the same category as deer hunting with hounds. Any Wildlife Conservation Officer will tell you that the Coon Hunters and Rabbit Hunters are not the problem. Just my thought.....

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I've suggested to VDGIF, as well as the Virginia Tech "mediators" that deer hunters that use dogs should have the last half of the deer season, but let us landowners and still/stand hunters have the first half. That way, we can at least enjoy SOME of the season without the nuissances. Furthermore, I have noticed that during the rut, bucks tend to possess that powerful, glandular "stinky" smell, which makes them unfairly easy for dogs to "scent" and run. The last half of the season doesn't offer that particular advantage quite as bad, although it still exists to a certain degree. I do think some changes are in store for the future...........

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What I posted was from the Florida Hunting Handbook and glazes over the law but a more detailed description along with fines and penalties can be found in the Florida Statutes.

The new regulations are the result of a couple of armed confrontations between Landowners and Dog Hunters and several arrest for shooting dogs. I tried to find the stories in archives but had no luck.
They had several meetings with Dog Hunters Associations and Landowners Associations and drafted a set of rules and used a trial season in the Northwest Florida Zone and then tweeked the regulations and adopted them statewide.
Too add to some confusion it is completely legal to trespass, unarmed, onto private property, even if posted, without having to notify the owner, to retrieve a deer that was shot on land that you are able to legally hunt on but traveled onto private property, and you can use a trail dog as long as it is on a leash.
Shooting dogs can be a tricky thing legally. You cannot shoot a dog that is getting into your trash but that same dog can be shot legally for harassing your livestock, simply barking at your cows is a legal death sentence for the dog if the owner of the cow so chooses. Can't shoot a hunting dog chasing a deer across your front lawn though.

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tesoronut wrote:
I've suggested to VDGIF, as well as the Virginia Tech "mediators" that deer hunters that use dogs should have the last half of the deer season, but let us landowners and still/stand hunters have the first half. That way, we can at least enjoy SOME of the season without the nuisances.

I think this could be a pretty good compromise too. I know that in Madison and Greene counties dog hunting is prohibited for the first two weeks of the general firearms season. I don't see any reason why this couldn't be the rule statewide. When I suggested this to a couple friends of mine that dog hunt, they just grumbled and said, "well, they do that it's just the first step to outlawing it entirely."

As I've said before, I don't really want a total ban on dog hunting. I don't like restrictive regulations. I think our seasons are too restrictive as it is. I think working with landowners and locals is a better plan. There are already a lot of landowners who won't lease to clubs that dog hunt. If more landowners refuse to allow dog hunting on their property because of all the problems that go along with it, maybe these clubs will put a little more thought into their actions.

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JTapia wrote:
What I posted was from the Florida Hunting Handbook and glazes over the law but a more detailed description along with fines and penalties can be found in the Florida Statutes.

The new regulations are the result of a couple of armed confrontations between Landowners and Dog Hunters and several arrest for shooting dogs. I tried to find the stories in archives but had no luck.
They had several meetings with Dog Hunters Associations and Landowners Associations and drafted a set of rules and used a trial season in the Northwest Florida Zone and then tweeked the regulations and adopted them statewide.
Too add to some confusion it is completely legal to trespass, unarmed, onto private property, even if posted, without having to notify the owner, to retrieve a deer that was shot on land that you are able to legally hunt on but traveled onto private property, and you can use a trail dog as long as it is on a leash.
Shooting dogs can be a tricky thing legally. You cannot shoot a dog that is getting into your trash but that same dog can be shot legally for harassing your livestock, simply barking at your cows is a legal death sentence for the dog if the owner of the cow so chooses. Can't shoot a hunting dog chasing a deer across your front lawn though.

Thanks, JT. That was some interesting reading, and mirrors the situations that we have in Va.

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Lone Predator wrote:
tesoronut wrote:
I've suggested to VDGIF, as well as the Virginia Tech "mediators" that deer hunters that use dogs should have the last half of the deer season, but let us landowners and still/stand hunters have the first half. That way, we can at least enjoy SOME of the season without the nuisances.

I think this could be a pretty good compromise too. I know that in Madison and Greene counties dog hunting is prohibited for the first two weeks of the general firearms season. I don't see any reason why this couldn't be the rule statewide. When I suggested this to a couple friends of mine that dog hunt, they just grumbled and said, "well, they do that it's just the first step to outlawing it entirely."

As I've said before, I don't really want a total ban on dog hunting. I don't like restrictive regulations. I think our seasons are too restrictive as it is. I think working with landowners and locals is a better plan. There are already a lot of landowners who won't lease to clubs that dog hunt. If more landowners refuse to allow dog hunting on their property because of all the problems that go along with it, maybe these clubs will put a little more thought into their actions.

Thanks. If there is ONE club that "won't get it", it will be the club in my neighborhood....... Yes

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I also think that land re-assessments have caused some astronomical taxes to be implemented on landowners, and that makes it "hurt" a little more to see clubs getting more enjoyment from our properties than we can(due to them). This additional factor makes for more volatile confrontations between clubs and landowners. It tends to make landowners a little more "possesive" over what they own.......and rightfully so..... Yes

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We had a problem like this on my uncle's land. The dog hunters had access to 1 acre that they would drop dogs onto his 2k acre spread from. Had a lot of fun laying trails for the dogs with scent bottles that took them out to the road and along the ditches for a mile or two. After that started to get old, we elk fenced around the 3 sides of their land that touched his. We even went so far as to collect any dogs that we ran into and drop them off at the closest shelter. After spending $65 a dog to collect 6 of their dogs one saturday we didn't have any more problems.

I'm not against hunting over dogs, but I find the ethics of using 1/2 acre to gain access to someone elses land pretty questionable.

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Yep, I don't like it when they find a "back door" onto posted property as you described. These folks are good at that.

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That law should be changed then. It's wrong.

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