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My comments were not directed to you tesoronut.
That is why I used the Quote button so you would not think that I was directing my comments toward you, sorry that was not clear.
I did read your comments and knew you would not harm the dogs.
It is a recurring answer to your situation, to kill the dogs, and I just wanted to let those reading this, and other threads that deal with your situation, that it might just be a crime to shoot a hunting dog and maybe folks would stop and think before doing that.
If it is not a crime in their area then it would be, at best, unethical and not "sportsman like" to shoot the dogs rather than confront the people responsible for the dogs behavior.

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For the Record,.......Tuesday afternoon, I walked through the woods down by the swamp and got up in my favorite tree stand. There is a side road that runs adjacent to my property, down near the creek bridge. Right before dark, at about the time deer should be moving, I heard a truck stop, and a few minutes later, 2 dogs jumped 2 does(near where the truck had stopped) and ran them under my stand. Another ruined evening. YESTERDAY, I got in the same stand, only to have more dogs "bumping" around in my swamp, and some guy hollering at the top of his voice for the dogs. Yet ANOTHER EVENING RUINED! I think this past Monday was the only day of a week-and-a half span that I had "peace" on my own damned land.

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Here in KS it is illegal for dogs to be on your property unless hunter has permission. Can the dogs legally be on your property where you are?

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redrider asked the same question i was wondering. I found the state law in VA to hunting with dog regs.
http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/hunting/regulations/general.asp
If this is the complete list of laws its pretty vague on "prohibted"land but looks like those guys are unfortunitly within thier right to run deer out of private property as long as the chase STARTS on land with permission given. Least thats how i understand it.
The answer it way i see it to outsmart those dropping hounds and use it to your advantage much like using normal hunting pressure to your advatage.

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redrider wrote:
Here in KS it is illegal for dogs to be on your property unless hunter has permission. Can the dogs legally be on your property where you are?

With this particular club, it wouldn't matter if they were breaking any laws or not. Furthermore, the county where I reside hasn't had a resident Game Warden in 2 years. But, the laws are vague, and not enforceable.

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Romey wrote:
redrider asked the same question i was wondering. I found the state law in VA to hunting with dog regs.
http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/hunting/regulations/general.asp
If this is the complete list of laws its pretty vague on "prohibted"land but looks like those guys are unfortunitly within thier right to run deer out of private property as long as the chase STARTS on land with permission given. Least thats how i understand it.
The answer it way i see it to outsmart those dropping hounds and use it to your advantage much like using normal hunting pressure to your advatage.

Thanks. The problem is often the fact that the dogs are released on "postage stamp" sized property that is adjacent to mine(and a couple of good neighbors), but the dogs often don't jump the deer until they are on "prohibited" property. I have watched this club "evolve" from a small, community-oriented organization to a commercial-sized nuissance that is also involved with competition-style "fox' HUNTS when they're not deer hunting. It may even be a "money thing" now???????? Proponents of the "dog groups" have NO idea what we have to put up with in my native neighborhood. After realizing that the "threat" to their sport last year(and hopefully now) has had no effect on them, I am going to vow to do everything I can to re-stabilize the rights of still and stand hunters(like myself) and the rights of property owners. If they want to play "hard ball", I'm in....... Yes

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This evening was nice and quiet. No dogs(no deer, either). But I enjoyed being out there. I don't mind paying my taxes when I can enjoy the woods!! Thumbs up

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Romey wrote:
If this is the complete list of laws its pretty vague on "prohibited"land but looks like those guys are unfortunately within their right to run deer out of private property as long as the chase STARTS on land with permission given.

Yes, that's the way the law is written. Dog hunters can do absolutely anything they want with their dogs on any land, posted or unposted as long as they don't carry weapons, drive vehicles, or release dogs directly on the prohibited lands. They can release dogs five feet away from the property lines and send 5 people right onto the posted land, hooting and hollering for hours with the express intention of driving all the deer off the posted land onto land they can hunt. All they have to do is say the are looking for their dogs. "Looking for my dogs" is their ticket onto posted land, and as a landowner or land lessor you can do absolutely nothing about it. They are also under no obligation to retrieve their dogs from these prohibited lands in a timely manner. In Virginia the laws are outrageously stacked in favor of the dog hunters at the expense of all people, hunters and non hunters, who do not dog hunt. And that's why so many still hunters and non hunters hate dog hunting.

As dog hunters, I think that the Virginia Dog Hunting Alliance should address these issues with their members. Please encourage them to be more courteous and respectful of non dog hunters and adjacent properties, or we will ALL suffer.

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The following are the rules and regulations used by the State Of Florida.
Several years ago we had the same problems as tesoronut described and lots of Hunting land disappeared for Dog hunters. These rules were brokered between landowners and Dog Hunters and appear to be working well so far.
Keep in mind that trespassing while in possession of a firearm is a felony in Florida which helps in stopping folks from coming onto your land and hunting without your permission.

Perhaps Hokieman could relay these rule to the State Wildlife Commission and use them as a model for similar legislation to quell this problem.

Text taken from website, page 17.
http://myfwc.com/hunting/pdf/08-09HuntingRegulationsHandbook.pdf

Hunting dogs: Dogs may be used as an aid in taking game mammals and game birds, unless otherwise prohibited. Persons owning or using dogs shall not knowingly or negligently permit such dogs to trail, pursue or otherwise molest game during
closed seasons. While hunting during archery, crossbow or muzzleloading gun seasons, taking deer or wild hogs with dogs is prohibited. Dogs on leashes may be used to trail wounded game mammals during all seasons. Taking turkeys with dogs at any time is prohibited. Hunters who use dogs for hunting, including bird dogs or retrievers, are required to have their dogs wear collars that identify their owners. This regulation also requires dog hunters to possess landowners’ written permission before using their dogs to pursue game on private property. For more information, contact an FWC regional office (see page 4).
Deer dogs: Deer dogs can be trained during
closed seasons when dogs are constantly attached to leashes or ropes in the hands of their trainers for training purposes. Deer dogs are permitted to run free for training purposes only during deer-dog training seasons
(see page 17). Taking deer or any other wildlife with a gun is prohibited while training deer dogs.
Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission 2008-2009 15
General Information
Statewide deer-dog registration: Deer hunters using dogs on private properties in Florida must obtain a no-cost registration from the FWC. Registration requirements apply to the deer-dog training season and during any open deer hunting season when it is legal to take deer with dogs. Registration may be issued to landowners, hunting clubs or anyone having rights to hunt the property. Once a registration number has been issued,
the unique number must be affixed or attached to collars of dogs used to hunt deer on registered properties. Hunters also must possess copies of the registration while hunting. To comply with the rule, deer-dog hunters on private lands must have registration
numbers on their dogs’ collars; possess copies of the registration; and keep their dogs on registered properties. Applications are available at an FWC regional office (see page 4), county tax collectors’ offices and MyFWC.com/hunting. Applications must be submitted
no later than 30 days prior to the final day of general gun season in the hunting zone that the property is situated.

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Lone Predator wrote:
Romey wrote:
If this is the complete list of laws its pretty vague on "prohibited"land but looks like those guys are unfortunately within their right to run deer out of private property as long as the chase STARTS on land with permission given.

Yes, that's the way the law is written. Dog hunters can do absolutely anything they want with their dogs on any land, posted or unposted as long as they don't carry weapons, drive vehicles, or release dogs directly on the prohibited lands. They can release dogs five feet away from the property lines and send 5 people right onto the posted land, hooting and hollering for hours with the express intention of driving all the deer off the posted land onto land they can hunt. All they have to do is say the are looking for their dogs. "Looking for my dogs" is their ticket onto posted land, and as a landowner or land lessor you can do absolutely nothing about it. They are also under no obligation to retrieve their dogs from these prohibited lands in a timely manner. In Virginia the laws are outrageously stacked in favor of the dog hunters at the expense of all people, hunters and non hunters, who do not dog hunt. And that's why so many still hunters and non hunters hate dog hunting.

As dog hunters, I think that the Virginia Dog Hunting Alliance should address these issues with their members. Please encourage them to be more courteous and respectful of non dog hunters and adjacent properties, or we will ALL suffer.

Amen to that! But, the Alliance cannot make these clubs behave. I wish they could, but to me, the Alliance is simply a "cosmetic blanket" that tries to make the clubs look good as a whole. This bunch in my neighborhood wants ALL the deer, and they want them NOW. If they think you have a monster buck on your land, they are going to put those dogs right where they want them(whether you like it or not). I think I've said it before that a "club is no better than it's members". Good folks make good clubs, but you know the rest....

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