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First, I'd like to say that, as I've mentioned in other posts, I'm not against dogs. I grew up around hunting dogs. And I mistakenly thought that the local band of greedy hunters would be "on their best behavior" this year. First week was peaceful. IS IT FAIR for a local club to deprive you of an entire holiday week(so far) of peace and the ability to enjoy still-hunting on your own land? IS IT FAIR for a local hunt club to encroach deer dogs onto your property by a SMALL adjoining piece of property?(actually two of them, one on each end) IS IT FAIR to see certain deer all during the off-season(on your own land), only to have the local club club jump these deer ON YOUR PROPERTY and run them out and kill them? IS IT FAIR for these club members to sneak onto you land, even during other seasons, such as Spring Gobbler? IS IT FAIR to try to enjoy your many treestands with running and cold-trailing dogs under-foot all the way to the stand, and all around your stand? The list goes on. I was willing to be a little more tolerant this year, but I'm not getting any consideration from them(and I know I won't). Whether you are a dog fan or not, I feel that if you were in my situation, you would be disgusted, I don't care who you are............ Brick Wall,)

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No, it's not fair. Those peckerheads should keep their dogs and themselves off your property. No question.

Not sure what all can be done, but you should certainly talk to the local game warden about it. And, if it were me, I'd start baiting and shooting dogs. We're not talking about somebody's family pet that just happened to get loose. What you describe is totally different and you shouldn't feel bad about it. But that's just me.

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I left out trapping dogs.

Think of them as a nuisance animal such as a pack of coyotes harrassing your sheep. Then again, that's just my opinion.

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Sage of the Sage wrote:
I left out trapping dogs.

Think of them as a nuisance animal such as a pack of coyotes harrassing your sheep. Then again, that's just my opinion.

Thanks, Sage. I've never considered harming the dogs, ALTHOUGH it may make these guys think. They jumped "The Monster" in here last Monday, and they will not be satisfied until they kill him. TODAY is the first day(except for Sunday) that it's been quiet since Sunday(a week ago). I'm an easy-going person, but easy-going landowners are easy "victims" for this club. Some hunters say "hunting is hunting, so don't say anything", in a futile attempt to justify our "heritage" Personally, my heritage has always been on this farm, on which I have lived for 45 years. Now, we are VICTIMIZED weekly! I think even the Pope would agree that this isn't fair AT ALL. Today, maybe....MAYBE I can get up one of my tree stands and ACTUALLY enjoy my own damed property....Although the deer are probably still shell-shocked from last week........... sad

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tesoronut wrote:
I've never considered harming the dogs, ALTHOUGH it may make these guys think.

I think this would be a bad idea. Much as I hate these losers around me, and disagree with their ethics, they're not breaking the law. The way the laws in Virginia are written dog hunters have all the rights, and landowners have absolutely none.

And it isn't the dogs fault. They're just doing what they're trained and bred to do. If you start shooting the dogs it'll start a war. And you can't win a war on your own land, even if you're right. These clowns in your club are going to know who did it, even if they can't prove it. And you will be the one to suffer, right or wrong.

I wouldn't wait for the Commonwealth of Virginia to outlaw dog hunting. And I'm not sure that would be the right thing anyway. Remember, the enemy isn't dog hunting, but irresponsible dog hunting. What I would recommend is this: talk to the landowners the club leases land from. Write letters, make calls, visit the local ones. Explain your situation, and what this club is doing. Use specific examples with dates, names if you know them, license numbers, and pictures. If there are corporations that own the land like banks and retirement funds, all the better. Big companies hate negative letters, and some of them take this sort of thing very seriously. I've thought about writing letters to the papers and calling the news (although the Richmond news channels don't care what goes on down here), but I decided this would probably do more harm than good. The bad publicity would probably go from "dog hunting" to "all hunting", which I think we can all agree would be bad.

There are ways to handle this without stooping to their level.

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Lone Predator wrote:
tesoronut wrote:
I've never considered harming the dogs, ALTHOUGH it may make these guys think.

I think this would be a bad idea. Much as I hate these losers around me, and disagree with their ethics, they're not breaking the law. The way the laws in Virginia are written dog hunters have all the rights, and landowners have absolutely none.

And it isn't the dogs fault. They're just doing what they're trained and bred to do. If you start shooting the dogs it'll start a war. And you can't win a war on your own land, even if you're right. These clowns in your club are going to know who did it, even if they can't prove it. And you will be the one to suffer, right or wrong.

I wouldn't wait for the Commonwealth of Virginia to outlaw dog hunting. And I'm not sure that would be the right thing anyway. Remember, the enemy isn't dog hunting, but irresponsible dog hunting. What I would recommend is this: talk to the landowners the club leases land from. Write letters, make calls, visit the local ones. Explain your situation, and what this club is doing. Use specific examples with dates, names if you know them, license numbers, and pictures. If there are corporations that own the land like banks and retirement funds, all the better. Big companies hate negative letters, and some of them take this sort of thing very seriously. I've thought about writing letters to the papers and calling the news (although the Richmond news channels don't care what goes on down here), but I decided this would probably do more harm than good. The bad publicity would probably go from "dog hunting" to "all hunting", which I think we can all agree would be bad.

There are ways to handle this without stooping to their level.

Thanks for your post. First of all, everything you said is very true, and I agree 100%. On another note, I have never harmed someone's dog, and will never do it. I was simply saying that I've tried everything BUT that........I ain't a bad person Thumbs up

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These guys will continue to take advantage of you until you make a point one way or another. I can understand you not wanting to hurt their dogs, but my take on it is that these guys are running their dogs on your property without your permission. It is THEIR responsibility what happens to them. Most of us wouldn't hesitate to shoot coyotes that were harrassing the deer. They're just doing what they are bred to do, not their fault.

Anyway, that's my take on the matter, and like I said, I understand why you wouldn't want to harm the dogs. I suppose an alternative might be traping them and they turning them over to animal control, after the Game Warden came along and took a report about it. But I go back to my original point, this will continue until you make a point in some way. Good luck

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Sage of the Sage wrote:
These guys will continue to take advantage of you until you make a point one way or another. I can understand you not wanting to hurt their dogs, but my take on it is that these guys are running their dogs on your property without your permission. It is THEIR responsibility what happens to them. Most of us wouldn't hesitate to shoot coyotes that were harrassing the deer. They're just doing what they are bred to do, not their fault.

Anyway, that's my take on the matter, and like I said, I understand why you wouldn't want to harm the dogs. I suppose an alternative might be traping them and they turning them over to animal control, after the Game Warden came along and took a report about it. But I go back to my original point, this will continue until you make a point in some way. Good luck

You've hit the nail on the head, friend. They won't stop. It's been going on for YEARS. My problem is like many others........It's no simple solution to this kind of problem. Lord knows,.........I've tried EVERYTHING. I just have hope in the old saying................."give 'em enough rope, and they will hang themselves". I'd love to be the hangman that "pulls the lever"........ Yes

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tesoronut wrote:
Sage of the Sage wrote:
These guys will continue to take advantage of you until you make a point one way or another. I can understand you not wanting to hurt their dogs, but my take on it is that these guys are running their dogs on your property without your permission. It is THEIR responsibility what happens to them. Most of us wouldn't hesitate to shoot coyotes that were harrassing the deer. They're just doing what they are bred to do, not their fault.

Anyway, that's my take on the matter, and like I said, I understand why you wouldn't want to harm the dogs. I suppose an alternative might be traping them and they turning them over to animal control, after the Game Warden came along and took a report about it. But I go back to my original point, this will continue until you make a point in some way. Good luck

You've hit the nail on the head, friend. They won't stop. It's been going on for YEARS. My problem is like many other's........It's no simple solution to this kind of problem. Lord knows,.........I've tried EVERYTHING. I just have hope in the old saying................."give 'em enough rope, and they will hang themselves". I'd love to be the hangman that "pulls the lever"........ Yes

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Sage of the Sage wrote:
I can understand you not wanting to hurt their dogs, but my take on it is that these guys are running their dogs on your property without your permission. It is THEIR responsibility what happens to them. Most of us wouldn't hesitate to shoot coyotes that were harrassing the deer. They're just doing what they are bred to do, not their fault.

Shooting a working dog is a crime in most states, Shooting a coyote is not.
A working dog has a dollar value.
Mabe this is not the case in VA but I would check if you were to decide to sink to that level so you wont be commiting a crime in the process.

For the record I say that it is not fair by any means for someone to be harassed on their own land. I agree that something has got to be done.
I also believe that anyone who will shoot a hunting dog, unless being attacked by said dog, should not be allowed to ever hunt again.
Just my opinion.

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JTapia wrote:
Sage of the Sage wrote:
I can understand you not wanting to hurt their dogs, but my take on it is that these guys are running their dogs on your property without your permission. It is THEIR responsibility what happens to them. Most of us wouldn't hesitate to shoot coyotes that were harrassing the deer. They're just doing what they are bred to do, not their fault.

Shooting a working dog is a crime in most states, Shooting a coyote is not.
A working dog has a dollar value.
Mabe this is not the case in VA but I would check if you were to decide to sink to that level so you wont be commiting a crime in the process.

For the record I say that it is not fair by any means for someone to be harassed on their own land. I agree that something has got to be done.
I also believe that anyone who will shoot a hunting dog, unless being attacked by said dog, should not be allowed to ever hunt again.
Just my opinion.

If you read my posts, you will see that I said that I WILL NOT shoot anybody's dog. Others have suggested it, but my actually doing it is another matter. I have a live-catch dog cage trap, and I may trap them and hold them for "someone" with authority.

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