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SoCo, consider this.....

The 9/11 bombers didn't discriminate against innocent civilans that agreed or disagreed with US foreign policy. They killed everyone in those buildings because they were Americans.

When people in Iran burn an American flag and say death to America, they don't put a footnote saying, except those that disagree with Bush.

It was directed at Bush, but it was also directed to the United States of America.

You are talking about Iran and flag burning now. The two things we are talking about the shoe incident and now the Iran example are different. The Iraqi has suffered the direct consequences of the decisions made by Bush. He didn't say death to America, he threw his shoes at the man he holds responsible for the situation he and other Iraqi's are in.

You bring up the 9/11 bombers whose leadership was in Afghanistan. Who we justifiably attacked. And, the bombers themselves were mainly from Saudi Arabia, our buds, and many Madras in Saudi Arabia preach death to America as their numero uno goal. But, again they are our f'riends' how do you rationalize Bush's many meetings with the El Sauds who allow their countries religious leaders to teach Death To America?

You seem to allow it in one sense and decry it in another, how do you do that?

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Did Clinton lie about his bj? You can bet his bootstraps he did, but how many people died because of that?

So in other words, you have no problem whatsoever with your president abusing his office and lying to the American people, as long as no one dies as a result. No wonder you're a Democrat. I guess this explains your silence on the Illinois politics thread.

A lie is wrong no doubt. I just hold a lie about a blow job between two willing participants to be a little lower on the transgression list then lies resulting in the death and suffering of thousands of people.

You obviously don't have a problem with your President abusing his office on that scale. No wonder you're a wingnut.

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SoCoKHntr wrote:
CVC wrote:
SoCo, consider this.....

The 9/11 bombers didn't discriminate against innocent civilans that agreed or disagreed with US foreign policy. They killed everyone in those buildings because they were Americans.

When people in Iran burn an American flag and say death to America, they don't put a footnote saying, except those that disagree with Bush.

It was directed at Bush, but it was also directed to the United States of America.

You are talking about Iran and flag burning now. The two things we are talking about the shoe incident and now the Iran example are different. The Iraqi has suffered the direct consequences of the decisions made by Bush. He didn't say death to America, he threw his shoes at the man he holds responsible for the situation he and other Iraqi's are in.

You bring up the 9/11 bombers whose leadership was in Afghanistan. Who we justifiably attacked. And, the bombers themselves were mainly from Saudi Arabia, our buds, and many Madras in Saudi Arabia preach death to America as their numero uno goal. But, again they are our f'riends' how do you rationalize Bush's many meetings with the El Sauds who allow their countries religious leaders to teach Death To America?

You seem to allow it in one sense and decry it in another, how do you do that?

I don't.

Saudia Arabia is our enemy and if I were in charge I would take a very different stance with them.

We need to kick the foreign oil additiction so perhaps we can see things more clearly in a sober frame of mind.

I also agree, and have stated many times before, we should not have invaded Iraq.

But regardless of whether or not I agree with Bush, he is our President and I can't tolerate assualting him or disrespecting him by foreign nationals in a public arena.

Now, I an

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I don't.

Saudia Arabia is our enemy and if I were in charge I would take a very different stance with them.

We need to kick the foreign oil additiction so perhaps we can see things more clearly in a sober frame of mind.

I also agree, and have stated many times before, we should not have invaded Iraq.

But regardless of whether or not I agree with Bush, he is our President and I can't tolerate assualting him or disrespecting him by foreign nationals in a public arena.

Now, I an

That's good to hear on the first point about Saudi Arabia. Regarding the second point it's a hard one for me. The suffering and death of both Americans and Iraqi's and brought about by men who in my opinion would never have the fortitude to endure what our troopers have or Iraqi civilians have being caught in the middle is something that for me is hard to assimilate on a moral level. They played with peoples lives like chess pieces. I wonder if they'd been so hasty if they had to do the fighting?

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Do you hate John F. Kennedy as much as Bush?

Is not what Kennedy did in Viet Nam not akin to what Bush did in Iraq?

How many needless deaths were caused because we didn't want Communism to gain a foothold in South East Asia?

The Domino theory is just as lame a reason for invading a country as anything related to Iraq.

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Do you hate John F. Kennedy as much as Bush?

Is not what Kennedy did in Viet Nam not akin to what Bush did in Iraq?

How many needless deaths were caused because we didn't want Communism to gain a foothold in South East Asia?

The Domino theory is just as lame a reason for invading a country as anything related to Iraq.

I agree, but more of that blame goes to Lyndon then Kennedy. I could be wrong but I believe Kennedy wanted to start to downsize our support and was then as we all know killed.

Vietnam was another great example of wasted lives and resources for a conclusion that in the end wasn't as cataclysmic as the architects preached. Yes, I hold Lyndon and any other proponent of that war in the same view.

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Actually if you read this link which points to the actual documents of fact there is ALOT of similarities between W.Bush and Kennedy. Both believing there was a serious threat to security of our nation, both believing eventually that the people of Vietnam and the people of Iraq would liberate themselves once the support was in place by US government and both sticking thier nose into a 2000 year old war and having corruption be the main reason of failure. Here is the problem, we havent failed in Iraq, the outcome is only a guess.
I always found it odd that LBJ and Nixon got all the grief about veitnam from a historical point of view from liberal then the person who truelly surged combat troops into vietnam, good bad or other wise.
Its proof positve that with the power of the world in ones hands sometimes you still cant see the forest through through the trees and id also like to point out its very high and mighty of us civies to sit and give judgment on issues where we are not in a place to know all the facts nor in the either of the mans shoes given what i know of military and goverment intel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War[/url]

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[quote="Romey"
Its proof positve that with the power of the world in ones hands sometimes you still cant see the forest through through the trees and id also like to point out its very high and mighty of us civies to sit and give judgment on issues where we are not in a place to know all the facts nor in the either of the mans shoes given what i know of military and goverment intel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War[/url]

Sorry, I don't buy that line regarding we don't know what they know so be easy on them. I have my own brain and deduction capabilities to draw my own conclusions. I will not sit back and act as if I am a slow minded child and only daddy knows what's best.

For example, in regard to Afghanistan: 1+1 = 2 the reason given for war and action was to me 100% believable and just. George Bush had my support in that action.

Iraq: From my ability to look at the history up to that point, the, what in my opinion were, lame reasons given, and now the aftermath and cost, it was a wrong action taken for ideological reasons rather then the ones given, so deceitful.

I expect the highest level of concern for human life and honesty from our leaders and this last admin was lacking in that dept. in my view and don't get a pass on it from me.

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I couldnt agree with you more about having regaurd for hman life and we should hold our leaders to that, i beleive as ussual your stuck in one gear and not seeing the whole picture and also assuming Bush or anyone has no reguard for human life. Its mighty easy to sit in your chair and be a armchair general

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Someone threw a shoe? or two? I missed it bummer. Ought to turn bush over to the Iraqi crowds and let them deal with the beloved leader, save us all the court costs of that wimp.

Didn't read the threads but carry on anyway

This doesnt even deserve a response except that it's such a wonderful example of the true mentality of the extreme left. Once again civet shows us the true colors of hate and ignorance. Only of coarse when directed at his own country. He values all OTHER life it seems.

As to SoCo's remarks about American troops being responsible for the deaths of and I quote here" hundreds of thousands " of Iraqis this is plain lies and rubbish. You and the rest of the left give lip service to supporting our troops and then turn at the first opportunity and accuse them of mass murder. Your alleged support of them is questionable given your horrible and unfounded accusations. We go to greater lenghts than any known standing army in world history to minimize civillian casualties, even placing our own at risk at times. I'm sure any American serviceman or woman would resent that as I do. I generaly must say you (unlike civetcat) are intelligent, respectful and your ideas are well presented with little or no name calling or mean spiritedness. I cannot usually agree with you but I like having you here and debating with you is a pleasure. But that remark was uncalled for. I can only hope I missunderstood. I expect those kinds of remarks from a troll like civet but have come to expect better from you.

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