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Hey Kevin... Welcome back Bud.. Hope ya had a blast ( lucky *%^#%%#&*) Laugh

Here is some more stuff for you directly from US Customs Mac.
Hunting Trophies
If planning to import game or a hunting trophy, check with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service first, at http://www.fsw.gov. Such items generally require a license and only certain ports are designated to handle them. Hunting trophies and hides must be shipped to a USDA-approved taxidermy service for processing. Trophies may also be subject to an APHIS inspection for sanitary purposes. General guidelines for importing game and trophies may be found in APHIS publication Travelers Tips.

Warning: Many regulations govern the importation of animals and animal parts. Failure to comply with these regulations can result in extensive or expensive delays in clearing your trophy through CBP. In addition, federal regulations do not authorize the importation of any wildlife or fish into any state of the United States if that state's laws or regulations are more restrictive than any applicable federal treatment. Wild animals taken, killed, sold, possessed, or exported to the United States in violation of any foreign laws are also not allowed entry into the United States.

Copied directly from APHIS rules and regulations:
Hunting trophies, game-animal carcasses, and hides are severely restricted. If you intend to bring them in, contact USDA-APHIS Veterinary Services' National Center for Import and Export (NCIE) for applicable information and permit forms. Please see appendix 1 for contact information.

USDA-APHIS-Veterinary Services' National Center for Import and Export can provide information about importing live animals and animal products. Contact USDA, APHIS, Veterinary Services, 4700 River Road, Unit 40, Riverdale, MD 20737-1231, Attn.: National Center for Import and Export. Information can also be obtained by calling NCIE's automated phone line at (301) 734-7830 or on their Website at http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ncie.

Like I said Mac... Everything I said was dead on. You have to obtain permits VIA US Customs and APHIS. They HAVE to be at least cured before shipping (Green Treated) They HAVE to be shipped to only certain ports and then HAVE to be transported to a LICENSED and APHIS approved Taxidermist via customs currior.

As far as the meat goes, like I said, some places down there may give you an option and some may not. But not ALL give you no choice as you stated. A lot of the places down there are "farms" and the PH's actually own the animals. Its mostly on those places that you would have no say in the matter, from my quick, and admittidly, limited research.

As Im sure Kevin will attest to, getting your trophies back from Africa is getting to be much more of a pain in the rear than it used to be and much more expencive. As I said in the other post, were I to go to Africa on Safari, I would not bother with the trophies. Pictures and some damn fine memories would be just fine. Not to mention that there are some new techniques coming out in Taxidermy, like fish, where they dont need the animal's hide or horns. They are working on reproducing usable facimilies from the pictures just like they do with fish. My OWN personal oppinion is that its just not worth all the hassle and expence that you must go through with customs, aphis, usda, and the other assorted government affiliated orginisations with thier hands out. But like I said... Thats MY opinion. I dont try to impose or force my opinion on anyone else. This, as you stated yourself, is a PUBLIC forum where, most of the time, we all welcome different views and opinions and we all enjoy learning from each and everyones experiance. Diffrences of opinions are bound to happen on any forum such as this and attacking someone and just using parts of what they say pulled completely out of context is not they way to do things in my own little non mattering opinion. I speak on here exactly like I do in real life and try my best to be tolerant of others while giving knowledge from my own learning and personal research and experiance. Anyone can have valuable information and anyone can make a mistake.

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CAM none of that stuff is new! Anyone who hunts Africa, and many other countries know that wording! The only difference is we don't have to look it up when we get chalanged on info in a post!

You have nothing to prove to me! If you want to talk all day about things you know nothing about, and if it floats your boat to win this, then set sail!

I apologized to you once for upseting you,when I really didn't need to, but I'm not going to do it again, take it or leave it!Brick Wall,)

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Mac the ONLY problem I had was not a challenge, but an outright attack, with you pulling PART of a sentance out of a complete statement and trying to make it look like I was being totally stupid and uninformed about a subject.

Just because I havnt hunted there does not make me incapable of researching the subject via many research tools and friends first hand accounts and delivering a well informed answer to an asked question.

I havnt been to the sun either, but I know that it burns at a relative 11,000 degrees F and would give you a really bad day if ya got to close!!

Main point here was, you jumped out and attacked points I made and you were completely incorrect in doing so. Not a single thing I stated on the other post was incorrect yet you attempted to show it as wrong by pulling PARTS of sentances out to make your attack seem to have substance. Yet when the whole is shown its plain to see that I was correct.

You keep saying I know nothing about this yet it seems clear that I do!! Just because you have been there does not make you all knowing and someone that hasnt totally uninformed. You apology was completely hollow to me as you clearly didnt mean it and are still trying to show that I was incorrect, yet I have clearly shown that I was correct.

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i wish i could be an expert in all my posts but it seems destined not to be.

it seems there are 12 or 15 authorized ports of entry for foreign sport hunted trophies, not 8

in 2003, my warthog tusks did not come with the rest of the shipment. USFWS had changed the rules just prior to the shipment, and required an extra two week drying period. Talk to the Hand

so, while the bulk of the rules do seem static, USFWS can always pull some twist out and mess with your trophies.

for this year's trophies, since i shot a baboon and want only the skull, the baboon skull can only be delivered, not to the usual authorized taxidermist, but to a certain group of taxidemists certified to handle primates, in addition to being authorized WHAT???!!!! the broker agent, as far as i understand, cannot break up the shipment and separate out the baboon skull, so i have no clue where my trophies will end up going. trying to figure out government is like predicting the weather--usually wrong and unpredictable.

the funny thing is that i brought back a piece of kudu horn bone (the bone inside the horn) that was dry, to play with, and when i declared it to customs, all they made me do was sign an import form, and called USFWS for an ok to bring it in. no problem. it was never "dipped and packed", had no veterinary certificate, and now i wish i had brought more of them. i am sawing it into litlle slabs and gluing things to them and making medallions/mementos out of them. i was sure it would be confiscated. i had it in my checked bag so it had to have been x-rayed numerous times and not one question.

when you actually hunt africa and experience all that goes into it before, during and after, you will find that all the research falls a little short of reality, especially when shipping trophies is involved.

let's keep it polite and clean, please.

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LoL, Trust me Kevin, I have not nor would I ever state that I was all knowing. Just posted a few things that I found in research to csumerall in that post to help in answering a few of his questions. I dont find the need to blast off on people like some do on here. But I will defend with furvor when blatently attacked for no reason at all. He generated this post specificly to post his discontent with the things that I posted on the other thread and took things out of context (as I so showed). Dont know why he did it nor do I care, but the fact is that he jumped out at me personaly and stated blatent BS as fact by culling out parts of complete sentences that I stated in the other post to try to make his point of fiction. I made it plain and clear for a 2 year old to understand that the facts that I posted were not from personal knowledge of being there and that it was from research and from first hand knowledge of friends that have been there. I try to keep things clean and nice, but when someone just flat out calls you a moron (no he didnt state that exact thing but was STRONGLY implied) and tries to prove his point in the manner that he did then I have a tendency to get a little bit rude. As would anyone else I would imagine.

Now that being said,,, How was ya trip bud? Lottsa Hula dancers??? :\:D/

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i live in deep south texas, the land of BMWs (big mexican women).
hawaii has as many big women as we do, i think but the hula is more graceful than the two step. Big smile

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Laugh Laugh Yeah I remember from my several short stints at Pearl. Got some ummmm ummmm ummmm well BIGUNS to put it nicely. But there are some beauties to.

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kevin davis wrote:
i live in deep south texas, the land of BMWs (big mexican women).
hawaii has as many big women as we do, i think but the hula is more graceful than the two step. Big smile

The hula requires a grass skirt. The two step requires a pair of tigh fittin' jeans. Tight butt's drive me nut's! Big smile

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LoL, Trust me Kevin, I have not nor would I ever state that I was all knowing. Just posted a few things that I found in research to csumerall in that post to help in answering a few of his questions. I dont find the need to blast off on people like some do on here. But I will defend with furvor when blatently attacked for no reason at all. He generated this post specificly to post his discontent with the things that I posted on the other thread and took things out of context (as I so showed). Dont know why he did it nor do I care, but the fact is that he jumped out at me personaly and stated blatent BS as fact by culling out parts of complete sentences that I stated in the other post to try to make his point of fiction. I made it plain and clear for a 2 year old to understand that the facts that I posted were not from personal knowledge of being there and that it was from research and from first hand knowledge of friends that have been there. I try to keep things clean and nice, but when someone just flat out calls you a moron (no he didnt state that exact thing but was STRONGLY implied) and tries to prove his point in the manner that he did then I have a tendency to get a little bit rude. As would anyone else I would imagine.

Now that being said,,, How was ya trip bud? Lottsa Hula dancers??? :\:D/

cam69conv something has me puzzeled, notice the two bold print passages form two of your posts,below, on different threads on the African hunting forum here! They seem to differ considerably! Think I wounder why!

I cut and pasted some of your EXPERIENCE below, and I copied the whole paragraph, from the one on this thread, and the whole post from the other one, so you have no excuse that your words taken out of context. From your post below I took from the paragraph, the sentance highlighted in BOLD print, and it is in dirrect opposition to your statement in the other thread cut&pasted from the string on Lever gun in Africa.

I would love to hear the explanation for the difference, in the two statements, which is true? I'm sure this is my mistake as well, and what you said in the lever action post, really is not different from the one in this thread. I'd like to ask you which is true, they can't both be?

Did you shoot a cape with a .444 lever gun, or is the truth you have never hunted, nor do you want to hunt Africa. This particularly confuses me, because for someone who has zero desire to hunt Africa, you can't seem to make up your mind whether you HAVE or HAVEN'T! I'm sure this discrepency is just someone takeing your words out of context again, and I'm sure you can clear it up easily!

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As far as me not knowing about insects there buddy, I too have donated many a pints of blood to many pesky lil critters in my service with our nations Navy and been to every far corner on this planet. Just because I havent or do not plan to hunt in Africa doesnt mean I do not know some things or have the ability to do some simple research. Some that ask questions on here sometimes just do not have the right way to form a question on search engines to generate quality results. Not to mention Ive got tons of friends that are hunters and some have been, like you, to Africa on MANY safari so I get first hand info from them.
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What??!!!!!! you mean someone was allowed to hunt in Africa with less than a .375 H&H mag? Say it aint so!!! According to MANY, that 338 or that .270 just wouldnt be allowed by the PH's in Africa!! LOL Sorry just couldnt resist. I was just told the other day that I was foolish for downing a Cape with my .444. It just didnt have the "power" required for such an animal. I guess that Cape didnt know that since it dropped with one shot through the lungs. 150 yard shot and recoverd the 200 grain coreloc in the offside skin. Nice pics. As Im sure you gathered by now Im a devoted leverist (not so much that I dont own a bunch of bolters to though )

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For one I was mistaken and It was a large Waterbuff (not sure which breed though) And for 2 the thread to which I was referring was on a different subject... The buff wasnt in Africa but on a preserve here in the states. The guy had procured a male and a female for a client several months before and the client backed out. Since I was coming up with a friend anyway he asked me to bring my .444 because he was a little afraid that his .270 wouldnt accomplish the task. Said that the meat was supposed to be good on them but BOY was he WRONG Yuk! Was absolutely the worst meat I ever cooked. Was cold hung for MANY days 12 or 14 I forget. Anyway It wasnt in Africa and like I said I havnt nor do I plan to. Just doesnt interest me. I go to Texas and a few other places every now and then but this one was up In Pa. I like the preserve hunts if they are on HUGE acreage because I do enjoy many of the exotics meat. Since you cant bring the meat home from where they are native, and ONLY if they have a large expance to live in like on most of the texas preserves are I hunt them there so that I may enjoy what I love. Wild game meat is the best you can eat as far as flavor and healthyness as you well know. Granted that Buff in Pa wasnt on a VAST place.. Only 500 acres but the owner is a friend of mine and to be perfectly honest he was scared to death of that sob. It had alread knocked him halfway accross one of the fields he was in and he flat out said he was lucky the beast didnt continue. Anyway thats what that was about. You are welcome to keep trying though Mac

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