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hey everyone i hunt in new york but i live a county were we have a rule where you cant shoot a buck unless he has 3 or more points on oneside. this stinks and i have not seen a buck yet. got a big 9 last year i guess im going to keep hunting. thanks everyone and good website we got here.

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im new to site hello biggamers

Welcome to the sight.

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Welcome though I am new also.
Great forum
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howdy

Welcome! What county are you hunting in? I guess if you haven't seen a buck yet, the point restriction doesn't mean much.

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thanks everyone. well you know NH hunter you are right about the rule it is defintly stupid move. i have not seen a horn yet or in the last six days not even a doe. ive been out everyday from the start of bow season. i hunt in sullivan county. well have safe hunt everyone good luck

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im new to site hello biggamers

I too live in Upstate NY, but (and I think I'm going to open up a huge can of worms here) I WISH they would have antler restrictions here in Monroe County, and everywhere.

I've been hunting long enough to know, and this is a quote from Charles Alshiemer, "A young buck is the dumbest animal in the woods." A young buck is chased off my it's mother at a young age and of all the deer in the woods he has the least amount of survival skills. The only ones that survive to maturity are lucky enough to have adapted nocturnal instincts before the first hunting season or two, or some ethical hunter has passed on them when they were small.

Of course there has to be allowances for young hunters, or for hunters who have held licenses for only a couple years. It sickens me when I see testosterone driven hunters beat their chests over their "wonderful'" accomplishments and shoot the first absolutely stupid small buck that walks by so they can simply go around telling people they shot a buck. What is even more comical is how they try and boast about how big the 5, 6, 7, or basket racked 8 pointer is, or "how big it's body was". If one more person tries to explain how BIG their 6 pointer is, I think I'm going to slap them.

I've been to too many people's (hunters) homes and saw their "collection" of tiny racks. It is sad. They pile baby racks into boxes and nail them to walls as some kind of testomony to what a wonderful hunter they are; and they feel great when people who know nothing of deer, hunting, populations, ratios, ethics, and rack size tell them what a wonderful hunter they are.

THERE IS ONE REASON WHY RECORDS ARE BROKEN MORE AND MORE EACH YEAR. There are more ETHICAL hunters letting small deer walk. There are more and more acres of land dedicated to Quality Deer Management; and those landowners like myself that spend INCREDIBLE amounts of money on their land, and the maintenance, and the plots, fertilizer, equipment, seed, irrigation, lyme, etc. suffer when our deer walk over a property line to be cut down as babies.

Another excuse that I hate is, "They will just get shot when they cross over to another property." That is the same as saying that you don't vote because everyone else does. Yes, some if not MOST of those young bucks WILL get shot by some hormone driven lunatic who needs one more basket rack to make an even 50, but some will survive. There is a guy who used to hunt the 200 acres I now own. He did not own it, but his 1/2 acre home backed up to it. He has at least 40 racks that wouldn't score 90, and he has harvested them all in about 10 years. Imagine or a minute that he passed on those deer and only 10% survived. He'd have 4 deer in the book and the buck/doe ratio would be in better balance.

They use the excuse that they are meat hunters...PFFfft! Any hunter worth a damn should be able to fill a half-dozen freezers with meat in the first few weeks of bow season, or the first few days of gun season, or the last week of muzzleloader.

The buck/doe ratio in NY is horrible, horrible, horrible. I think Charles Alshiemer estimated it to be something like 1/5 or 1/7; which means that there are A LOT of hunters just killing anything with horns on it's head...sad.

With exceptions for beginner hunters and youth...I am about to make a lot of people mad:

If you cannot get enough meat (most seasons) to fill your venison needs without shooting small-racked deer, then you are not a good hunter. You are hunting in the wrong spots, at the wrong times, with the wrong equipment, not paying attention to wind, or scent contol. If you know enough hunters, and EVERY hunter does, then you know guys who can get a deer any day of the week, and they will be more than happy to fill one of your tags for you, or even give you a deer of their own, especially if you tell them it will save the life of a poor retarded young buck. If you live in Upstate NY and you pass on small bucks and need venison, I'll give you all you can handle! There is nothing more rewarding as letting that first small buck pass, knowing that you'll never shoot one like that again. You see small bucks in the woods and you put a smile on your face, and the whole time you observe them you are smiling, because they are usually doing something totally stupid, like running ragged looking for does weeks before they are ready, or coming to your calls, or coming to observe all of that noise you just made climbing a tree.

I definately would not have shot this deer if someone hadn't passed on him when he was a baby...whomever you are, I hope that I have returned the favor by now!

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no i think its a good idea in a way but when i have hunt all bow and gun season andcome out empty handed and dont see a horn you just get a litttle pissed. but hopfully it will pay off. good article and nice buck stavalone

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All I have to say is WOW!!!! what a giant.

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Bow Kill second day of archery in '05 believe it or not. Gross B&C 167 6/8, Net 157 2/8. Didn't quite qualify for a Boone and Crocket mention which is 160 for archery apparently, but it's Pope and Young with plenty of room to spare. Never weighed it but I'm guessing it's comfortably over 250.

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Dean,

To start, I'm not looking for a fight, just expressing my opinion.

I generally do not shoot small bucks, or small does for that matter. I prefer to hold out for more mature animals for the challenge of the hunt. When I hunted in NYS, I used only a handgun since 1981, again, for the challenge. You have to get close. There were a lot of deer where I hunted. I am not a meat hunter when it comes to whitetails. I will hunt for meat when it comes to elk. I'll shoot a cow or a raghhorn bull. I prefer eating elk over whitetails. Just my preference. I hunt whitetails for the enjoyment of hunting. Of course, I eat the meat also.

That being said, 20 years ago I learned how to shoot bigger bucks. You let the little ones pass. If you live in an area that doesn't allow multiple buck harvests, when you shoot a little buck, your season is done. If you let them pass, odds are better to see Mr. Big.

I also don't have a problem if someone shoots a small buck. It's their choice. If it's legal, fine. I also don't care if they brag about it. They can pat their own back all they want, it really doesn't matter.

I also really don't care about record book deer. Sure, I like to look at them, everybody does. Is it better for a hunter to brag about shooting a record book buck? Is that what hunting is about, bragging rights? I don't think so and I'm pretty sure you agree with me. Anyone passionate about hunting knows what it's about. Should we put an asterisk by all the new record book bucks because some of them attained their size through QDM plantings and management for the purpose of producing big racks? I don't think that makes sense, either. If you want to practice QDM, great. It's your property, you can do what you want. Isn't a key part of QDM culling "inferior" bucks? What's wrong with shooting some of them? Obviously, you can't shoot them ALL. If the deer jump your fence and someone shoots them on an adjacent lot, you really can't blame them. You may feed them but they're not your deer.

If you got to the last day of the season and didn't get the right shot at Mr.Big, would you shoot the basket racked 6-point at five minutes to sundown? I would. I wouldn't feel bad about it either. I'd butcher him and cook him up over the next year and remember the great season I had chasing after whitetail that year.

I have hunted in places where there are antler point restrictions. Personally, I don't have an issue with them. It's kind of like a size limit on fish. It's a management tool. If that's what's required to ensure enough bucks will survive to attain the targeted buck/doe ratio, that's OK with me.

Like I said, not trying to upset anyone, just putting forth another opinion........I'll probably regret it. Evil!

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nice buck

Nice buck, BTW. Yes

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