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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/01/elections-obama-mcca...

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They forgot to list Iran, Syria, Lybia, Cuba and North Korea. They're big Obama supporters, too.

What a ridiculous article. We don't select a president based on what other countries want. We select him/her based on what's good for America.

But let's peel back the onion on this a bit.

Egypt -- been there. It's barely above 3rd world status. It's also home to Sayiid Qutb, who's the author behind Islamist philosophy -- as well as the Muslim Brotherhood, Osama's right-hand man Zawahiri, Mohamed Atta, and the guy behind the first WTC attack.

Poland -- the closest I ever came to getting in a bar fight was when a drunken Polish officer once was telling me how our country was doomed to failure because black people were breeding faster than white people. Bottom line is that my experience with people from Eastern block countries (whether Poles, Czechs, Ukrainians, Bulgarians, Slovakians, etc) is that they don't understand America and have a very skewed concept of reality based on what their media shows them.

France -- the nation that built Saddam's first nuclear reactor and was dealing with him under the table in violation of UN sanctions. The French also have a solid reputation for being fairweather friends that will sell intelligence on the US to its adversaries.

Kenya -- my son spent a year there. He would never use a straw in a restaurant afterward because Kenyan restaurants would re-use them. It 's a third world nation in the midst of Obama fever because of his Kenyan roots -- I guarantee you that they don't know a whit about his policies.

I could go on, but the point is that support in other nations isn't exactly indicative of anything. Obama is a media creation, and all these people know about him is what their media presents, filtered through their cultural view of what America's about. How much do you really know about the domestic policies of Vladimir Putin or Nicolas Sarkozy? The people in the countries mentioned have much less access to information than we do.

Besides, most of those countries would really like the idea of redistributing America's wealth and power to lesser nations.

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It is very telling when so many people with ideologies 180 to mine support Obama. It solidfies my opposition to him when I hear Pelosi, Frank, Kennedy and now the UK and liberal Europeans supporting him.

Generally, you embrace a candidate that espouses your view points so to know Obama one simply needs to look at those that support him. Europe is anti-gun, and pro-socialism. Need I say more?

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This will seem rude, ethnocentric, and perhaps it is... but I'm pretty comfortable with that. Before I make this statemtent, however, I'm going to throw out that I'm not a Republican, but an independent (conservative leaning, but not opposed to voting for a Democrat). Anyway, here goes... Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? This isn't their country. It's ours and we'll run it the way we want.

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I agree with Sage of the Sage. I don't care what the rest of the world wants or thinks. We need to do what's best for our citizens.

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Whether you care or not we are part of an interdependant family of nations, we no longer need to be the worlds paraiah state keeping company with China and North Korea. What's wrong with once again being a morale leader in the world. Why should we stand for torture and starting wars.

If your ideas are 180 degrees different from the rest of the world and most Americans maybe it's not the rest of the world that is out of wack

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We don't keep company with North Korea, nor are we the world's pariah state.

If you studied history at all, you'd see that Obama's policies would have a destablizing effect on the world. It's not just me -- it's history. Weakness never improved security, and appeasement never prevented war. Nor are we the source of all the evil in the world. In fact, most of the bad stuff has come out of nations where we HAVEN'T been involved.

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Whether you care or not we are part of an interdependant family of nations, we no longer need to be the worlds paraiah state keeping company with China and North Korea. What's wrong with once again being a morale leader in the world. Why should we stand for torture and starting wars.

If your ideas are 180 degrees different from the rest of the world and most Americans maybe it's not the rest of the world that is out of wack

Saddam Hussein stood for torture and starting wars.

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civetcat wrote:
Whether you care or not we are part of an interdependant family of nations, we no longer need to be the worlds paraiah state keeping company with China and North Korea. What's wrong with once again being a morale leader in the world. Why should we stand for torture and starting wars.

If your ideas are 180 degrees different from the rest of the world and most Americans maybe it's not the rest of the world that is out of wack

Since you believe that the US is a pariah, then which country do you think best represents your ideal country?

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civetcat wrote:
Whether you care or not we are part of an interdependant family of nations, we no longer need to be the worlds paraiah state keeping company with China and North Korea. What's wrong with once again being a morale leader in the world. Why should we stand for torture and starting wars.

If your ideas are 180 degrees different from the rest of the world and most Americans maybe it's not the rest of the world that is out of wack

Since you believe that the US is a pariah, then which country do you think best represents your ideal country?

First thing is one has to stop thinking in black and white you are with us or against us terms. That's one of the problems, many conservatives wish to view the things very simplistically, that bad that good, kinda way. Just like a child wants to view their parent or father as a Superman figure all powerful and good and in a childlike way not see their faults or weaknesses. When a child grows up and develops into an adult in a healthy way they come to a point of seeing their parent in an honest way, as they say warts and all, and still loving them for who they are.

There was a time when America was held in a view by it's citizens and the world on a whole as a good guy, just, decent, and upholding values and morals that took in the human race as a whole not just it's citizens. Due to the reckless, incompetent, immoral, actions of the current Administration America has lost this standing with many of her own citizens and the world. It may not matter to you, but it matters to us that we can look at our country as the good guy to be counted on to always promote Justice, decency, morals, even when forced to take action against an enemy.

While world view isn't the one deciding factor in deciding policy it shouldn't be relegated to F them if they don't like it status. We are part of this world and we have a standing as a leader of the free world and to provide an example to the rest of the world as to how we as citizens of this world should treat one another.

We've had a simpleton leader surrounded by chicken hawk arm chair warriors who flushed our moral standing and leadership position down the tubes. The rest of the world no longer looks to us as a figure of honesty and decency and instead sees us as no different then an imperial conquering power like Russia or China.

What best represents our ideal country? Hopefully it is the new direction we will be heading in after today is over.

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Civetcat call the US the world's pariah and I simply asked which country best represents his ideal? Certainly, the US being a pariah can't be the ideal so which world country is it?

It is a legitimate question to better understand his view point.

Why can't he answer? Why do you have to defend him?

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