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2-thing wrong with this report.

1) Every time the IDFG wants a rise in license fees they come out with a statement that hunter numbers are down. While they maybe down compared to population growth there is more tags sold then 7 years ago.
They always compare hunter numbers with number of people in the state to get the average. We have pointed this out a number of times but it is their way of pulling public support.

2) I would enjoy seeing the actual take and hunter numbers in the unit he is reporting. See the check stations are only open on fri - sun and most close just after dark,I know of at least 4 that are run this way . So these numbers are only weekend counts nothing more.

[ This Message was edited by: captchee on 2003-10-11 07:52 ]

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They are only open opening weekend. They where not open at Timmerman hill saturday around 2 in the afternoon as that is when we came threw there with my wife's deer.

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more tags sold then 7 years ago.

That is a good point. Often times you hear that hunter numbers are declining, but usually these are percentage comparision on a relative basis to the rest of the population. The absolute (the head count of total hunters) could still be increasing; relative percents don't always tell the whole story, although I know little about the situation there in ID.

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ya SS
They do that as well who knows why yet they still write things like this article giving the people the idea they are always open.
My father was a BIO/CO for IDFG or 20 years though the late 70's and I remember him being gone most of the time from august through the end of December. In those days they stayed in the field and didn’t carry guns. Now you never see them " at least I haven’t seen one for ??? Maybe 10 years" they all have new dodge trucks and ATV's , pack side arms yet never leave the main road.

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You are right about an upcoming lic. fee increase (again). I would rather see costs managed than raising our fees to get more of our money to waist.

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I will tell you this buck.
I stopped buying an Idaho fishing license a few years back and I may stop buying a hunting license as well. . I will go buy an Oregon out of state license to fish in my area before I will ever buy another here in Idaho that’s what I think of their management.
And as to hunting.
I just got back from a week of the worst deer and elk hunt I think I have ever seen. Did I see any CO to check camps NOPE yet I did see 3 sitting in lawn chairs at the check station when we went through?
I really don’t mind paying higher fees but I want to see some improvement for my money.
A few years back they closed the doe season and went to a buck only season and closed the bear season in some unites as well.
I counted at least 90 doe’s in the 5 days I was out and not one buck they were like flies every where you looked were doe’s. But driving around I seen maybe 10 deer in camp some were doe’s that I assume were under the youth hunter program the rest were small forked horn bucks, nothing of any size. What are we using for breading stock now forked horns?
I ask at the check station about when they thought the IDFG would re open the bear season, I was told no time soon as the bear population is very low.
Well let me tell you I could have gotten a bear 3 out of the 5 days and one night right in camp. I don’t know who is doing the studies but things are in a bad way. I have to wonder if it has even accrued to them that the reason tag sales are down could be from the high cost and poor management?

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Idaho will definitly need a permit increase because non-residents like myself will probably take our money elsewhere.

This was my first year hunting Idaho. I took my 11 year old son after Sandhill Cranes and after getting a severe butt chewing from land owners we had asked permission to hunt on their land I decided this was not the type of hunting I wanted to introduce my kid to.

I also had a southeast deer tag. I seen four fork horns (two were shot and left to rot), a handfull of does and at least 4000 4-wheelers in 5 days. It did not matter how far I hiked to get away from the 4-wheelers, they were everywhere.

As I spoke with some residents of Idaho, I got the message loud and clear that they do not like non-resident hunters. I have hunted many years across the border in Wyoming and have always been welcomed to their state. It is amazing what a line in the dirt can do to some people's attitude.

Happy Huntin

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Yes what you have found is true in I think allot of Idaho.
Many residents get the same attitudes that you got; you don’t have to be from out of state just from the wrong county

I think it stems from the IDFG releasing statement that they will only release so many out of state tags in a given unit or that hunter populations are way down. Yet when you drive into that unit you will see 2 to 3 X that number in outa state vehicles camped along the road and many more hunters then in past years.

Secondly many years back our property values here were very low and we had an influx of people moving in and buying large ranches and closing them of to everyone. Can you imagine buying 1500 acre’s or 2000 for the cost of a small home? The place my father took me on my first hunt was closed and turned into a private hunt club.
In my families case we have been residents here since the 1920’s yet we closed our ranch off due to the disrespect of others not just out of state hunters.
Seems someone put a bounty on sprinkler heads and fence posts while we were not looking “LOL” so in a since a few bad apple’s ruined the bushel for all

This combined with the current outlook of the Department of wanting a trophy hunting state, reducing land owner rights, raising resident fees while at the same time mismanaging our game along with just plain being a PITA to work with has left a bitter feeling in many of us.
I myself I think fall heavy into the anti county /state/ATV hunter group. WHY?
Well I think it because I can remember when I could go out on opening morning and have a good hunt without the roads being 6 inches deep from the bikes or 4X4 or spending 2 hours in the dark to get to my favorite hunting spot only to have a parade of people come by just as the sun comes up.

You used to be able to stop when you came across another camp you were welcomed in , chat about what you had seen, have a cup of coffee and discuse tomorrows hunt so as your 2 camps wouldn’t molest the hunt of the other camp or maybe work together for a big push up a draw ,this doesn’t happen anymore. I guess it boils down to a lose of respect and consideration for other’s
I also see a lot more drunk camps in the mountains now day as well as people who seem to think a mountain road can be driven at 70 mph or that every tree on a corner is a billboard to post paper plates with arrows and names on them.
I am sorry it just occurred to me I was ranting on and on.

I am sorry you had a bad hunt there is few of us left that I think truly see that hunting is more then filling a tag or feeling the need to shoot 2000 yards at a bull elk.
Next year if you come back and want to bring your son for deer or elk, I would be glad to show you some true Idaho hospitality. I can’t guarantee you fill a tag or not see every tom dick and herry on an atv but I would be glad to show you around where I hunt for a week.

[ This Message was edited by: captchee on 2003-10-27 09:18 ]

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It is nice to see someone who not only loves to hunt but keeps those good old days alive inside them. I also remember those days when hunting was not just the harvesting of an animal but a time when I could listen, and share the stories of past hunts from friends, family and sometimes, hunters I did not know.

My father taught me to respect others in the field, the property rights of others and most importantly, the animals I was hunting. This respect has usually got me on to some properties to hunt but it seems those days are gone because of the actions of a few. I could not find a single property owner that would allow me access and I guess I cannot blame them due to the problems they face every hunting season in Idaho.

My son will turn 12 this coming year and one thing Idaho has done to make it a bit easier on those of us that are not rich is to allow young non-resident hunters to purchase tags at resident prices. So I may take you up on your hunting hospitality next year and will gladly extend the offer to you if you would like to come down to Utah. My wife and I both took nice bucks with one over 32" (I would post the pics but I am not sure if we can using this forum).

Anyway, it is good to meet you and others on this web site. It gives me a little faith that the "Good-old" days may not be over. We just need to find a way to bring them back (I think the answer is in our kids).

Happy Huntin

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I agree 100%
I am sure we could find your son a doe but bucks seem to be getting scarce in these parts as I live in western central Idaho and IMO things are really a mess in this area . I am always up to meeting new people maybe if you are in this area we could arrange a steelhead fishing trip in the main time.

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